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Howdy do,
Only 2 days into BIAB, crashing about, but lovin' it.
Do have Power Tracks Pro 12, with upgrade disk coming.
Is there a way the backend midi can be edited with the current song in BIAB?
Some of the soundtracks have volumes I'd like to change.
Know the header allows these to be changed, but well into the chorus the program number
changes and would like to either alter or change its velocity.
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find the bar you want to edit and press F5. Works for Midi and RealTracks. Up and down volume. Mute, unmute. etc...
John Conley
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John,
Thanks for heads up.
I did that and can see a nice screen with the settings and then some
that can be CHANGED.
Did the F5 for location of an existing change and could not see any of
the existing midi data.
Am a little familiar with Midi Monitor tried to trap the exact location and could not.
Think PT has a lot more "editing" features but would prefer to stay within BIAB.
What am I doing wrong ?
Thank you,
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If you watch a midi track, which is say on the strings track, after pressing F5 in the midi monitor you will see that it did what you want.
Midi tracks, like Realtracks, change everytime play is pressed, unless you push the snowflake or freeze the track (right click the button.
However the F5 will allow you to change some parameters and have them stick, and you will see that you can decide if it's for one pass or verse, or all, thus bringing in out parts.
This is not a midi editing program. You can export the whole thing as midi (unless there are realtracks) and play with it elsewhere.
I don't think you are doing anything wrong, you just need more 'training'. There are videos!
And 'man to man' eschew the manual. Real men don't. Trust me. But if you have to take it to the loo.
John Conley
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John,
I did sit in my recliner and eschew the manual last night.
BUT, BUT, completely forgot about the PDF manual. Just brought it up
and looks like it really beats cracker jacks.
Am on a 26.4 dial-up, so video's are out for me. Plan on a trip to town in the
next week with laptop to grab most of the stuff. No DSL available, only satellite, which in
a lot of cases is a fast dial-up with hi charges.
Will work thru it and get familiar with it.
Am having so much fun it almost hurts. LOL
Thanks,
Seeker
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John,
Moved the Midi to PT and found the "problem", it was me.
Actually a bit different method for me.
The overriding melody track 6 is a Vibraphone, lotsa kick to it.
A "solist" track 8 exact duplicate in notes is Electric Guitar (Jazz), very soft it is.
At BAR 38 the Vibraphone simply stops playing and the Guitar is the muted remaining soft sound heard.
Anyway know the reason now.
Thanks for the help,
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In Biab you also have the Piano Roll. Click on the instrument track you want to edit first then under the menu heading "Window" halfway down is Piano Roll Window. It's the same one in Power Tracks. You can do a lot of midi editing there and there's also a help button that opens the help file for it. For individual notes you can also click on the quarter note icon to open up Notation. Click on the second icon in that group on the left hand side to open Editable Notation. There you can enter, edit, delete, copy or paste notes. I agree that PT is still the superior midi editor because of the Tracks view but if you want to stay in Biab, those two windows will get the job done.
Bob
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Bob,
Appreciate your input on the piano roll.
I created some number of Yamaha "Multi-Pads" for
another site and the piano roll was the great tool to do this.
Built over 200 sets of multi-pads for the site users.
Multi-pads are 4 additional midi channels with loops that "can" follow the
chords played on the Arranger keyboards.
Thanks again,
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Hi Seeker,
I gather you're using Power Tracks for your editing, but have you tried using Real Band ? it's brilliant.
Just that you mentioned creating multipads for psr, I'm assuming based on BIAB styles??
I started off using BIAB as a style & multipad source for my Korg PA800, then realized what Real Band was capable of. Now I use it instead of BIAB for that purpose.
best wishes
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This is interesting Rikki. I have a Korg Pa1XPro. What are you doing exactly with RB and your Korg?
Bob
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rikki,
The Yamaha arranger keyboards use 4 channels of midi for each pad set, 1 for each pad in the set.
The styles being used were Yamaha derived from 3rd party Yamaha type styles.
I have tinkered some with RealBand, but am 99% newbie there. I've tinkered a little with the
RealTracks stuff, but pretty much sticking to Midi in BIAB for now.
Albeit the sounds for RealTracks blow my mind away. Will get into them more as time goes along.
Later,
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Hi Bob,
hope I didn't give the impression I was able to use Real Tracks, though at one stage I did fiddle round with the Real Drum tracks & importing them into PA800 sampler.
Unfortunately the 64mb ram wasn't big enough to do much.
Basically I just created some styles & pads for my PA800. I'm not familiar with the style creator functions on the PA1X, ie whether it can do what the PA800 does.
The PA800 can IMPORT a midifile ( no chord progression allowed, except for Intro's/Endings )into the
style creator, and I end up with a style part ie variation, fill, intro or ending. Then I just have to adjust the Korg NTT settings ( ie Chord type /parallel,fixed or no transposition etc)
The PA800 can import the midifile into the style creator in one go ie drums , percussion, bass & another 5 instruments provided they're set correctly to midi channels 9 to 16 .( same channels as psr except for bass & percussion, which are reversed in korg).
Reason I decided to use Real Band instead of BIAB is because I had more control of what is generated & regenerated. In Real Band I just type in my chord ( usually C maj or Cmaj7, depends on the complexity of the style, & if I need to create more than 1 type of chord variation ( cv) Korg allows you up to 6 cv's in it's variations, I can create one for nearly any type of chord I choose. I usually try to get away with one.
After that I choose the amount of bars, the BIAB style, from the Drop Down menu on the midi track, I select Generate Midi TRack, pick drums, bass , whatever, it generates the bars required. I then do that for each of the instruments. I then have my midifile, save it as Midifile 0 & import it into my PA800.
The reason I found Real Band better is, I was able to regenerate the tracks seperately if needed, to try and add a bit more variety for each of the 4 korg variations.
Pads on my PA800 is even easier. Again it has the IMPORT midifile function.
Simply a case of generating a single track ( has to be on midi channel 10 even if it's not a drum track). Save & import into the Korg Pad Creator. Once in, I just had to adjust the settings.
best wishes
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Hi Seeker,
sorry , I was refferring to the midi biab style tracks not the Real Tracks.
If you were able to do them in PT, you can do the same in Real Band with the added bonus of being able to use some of the BIAB midi style tracks, generated via Real Band.
The only ones you really have to be careful of is, if they contain
controller 64 "sustain". Psr's don't recognize it in it's styles or pads. It can make a piano arpeggio for instance, sound choppy, the notes are too short.
best wishes
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Thanks Rikki, what you're describing sounds exactly like what I've read in the Pa1X manual concerning creating styles. I know the elements of a Korg style are really just short midi file clips, I'll have to play around with that some.
Bob
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