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Recently, I went BAIB RealTrack-searching for a bass track - one that is ~ 60 - 80 BPM and mostly plays notes on the 1 &, 3 & with the occasional pushed 1 note. Something like I'd expect in Neil Young's 'Old man' or 'Heart of Gold'. After a bit of fruitless searching, I put 'Neil Young' in the title search and up popped both songs but showing 'swing' feel. Swing? Nah. I was tapping away on my desk while humming to confirm that both are 'straight'. I've always associated swing with triplet 8th notes - long, short as some describe. I went looking up YouTube videos describing swing music theory which all seem to confirm my historic understanding.
Am I too narrow in my understanding of swing? What feel would you classify 'Old man' and 'Heart of gold'? Is BIAB title database just wrong? If so, how can we change it?
Andrew
PS If you happen to know of a bass RT that meets my requirements (BIAB or user style track), please let me know the number or where to find it - I haven't found one yet. Also (this is a more extreme request), if anyone familiar with Split Enz and their song 'One step ahead' knows of a bass RealTrack like it, I'd be happy to hear about that as well.
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Andrew, I think you're correct about those two songs. Just checked Neil's Decade songbook (1978!), which does a decent job showing Neil's timing, and the sheet music does not indicate swing either. Probably just an error in the BiaB database.
I've had little luck finding bass tracks that play exactly what's in my head, so I most often settle. But when I MUST hear something specific, I'll get close and then edit the bass track in Melodyne. Because most bass is monophonic, you could also chop up the bass note by note where needed and edit in most any DAW.
Love early Neil Young. That style of ragged beauty is of course a hard sound for BiaB to duplicate with ease...
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Swing to me is not straight eight notes. The second of the pair is delayed. Some hiphop rhythms swing the 16th notes.
The delay can be subtle or even approach but not reach dotted eighth & sixteenth status.
As far as I can tell, Heart of Gold is definitely straight, Old Man might have a very slight swing feel to the melody.
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Swing has a fairly wide latitude in practice.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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As Notes and Herb said, Swing does have a wide latitude. My notation software allows me to dial-in a percentage of swing.
To me, there are two categories: straight eighths, and ‘other’.
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As Notes and Herb said, Swing does have a wide latitude. My notation software allows me to dial-in a percentage of swing.
To me, there are two categories: straight eighths, and ‘other’. To make things even more fun, there's Viennese where the second beat in the waltz is rushed and the third beat is slightly delayed. I have had to school more than one orchestra or theater pit ensemble on this but, once they get it... wicked cool! Learned about this in one of Oscar Levant's books where he wrote about arguing with Gene Kelly during the making of An American in Paris. Listen for it in the "By Strauss" number.
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