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Re: Tonalic - Realtrack Competition? Charlie Fogle 42 minutes ago Forum: Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Thanks for your response, John. I appreciate your perspective, and we actually agree on more than might appear at first glance. “What you may be missing is there are almost certainly many BIAB users (most?) who do not care about 90% of the things you mentioned; I am definitely one of those!” I agree and this actually supports my point. It’s common to see users say they only use 10–15% of BIAB’s capabilities. The issue is that many of the strongest claims about BIAB being “challenged” by AI tools or Tonalic are coming from users who don’t use, or aren’t aware of, the majority of what BIAB already does. I regularly see wishlist requests for features BIAB has had for years. When someone evaluates a new product without knowing what BIAB is already capable of, it becomes difficult to make an apples-to-apples comparison. “To me, as a quick seeker of great guitar, bass and drum tracks, this looks like a serious competitor…” That’s fair speculation, and I don’t dispute that Tonalic may suit your workflow well. Especially if your priority is quick guitar-based parts. From what’s been demonstrated so far, though, Tonalic is operating in a very narrow slice of what BIAB covers. Plucked guitars and arpeggiated patterns are fine if that’s your lane, but that’s a small subset of BIAB’s instrument depth, arrangement logic, and stylistic variety. “Education, practice and learning are something I would suspect are not widely used BIAB features…” BIAB has long been respected in educational settings. It’s not a replacement for a teacher or YouTube. Just like YouTube isn’t a replacement for a teacher. It is a powerful learning environment. The User Showcase alone is full of examples of musicians who dramatically improved their skills through BIAB use. Floyd Jane and Rodney Gene’s reworked “Wrong Mailbox” is a good recent example. “As for being ‘light years ahead in instruments’… they are starting to sound a lot alike!” This one made me smile—especially given that Brent Mason is a featured artist in Tonalic, and he appears in one of the Tonalic videos linked here in the forum. In effect, you’d be subscribing to an artist already included with BIAB. Beyond that, instrument count isn’t just about quantity. It’s about arrangement context, substitution logic, medley construction, genre adaptability, and compositional scope. That’s where BIAB operates on a different level. “As for subscription vs. purchase…” Subscription versus ownership is ultimately a personal choice. Financially, if someone only uses a small fraction of BIAB, Tonalic might feel like better value for them. I think that’s perfectly reasonable. “As a BIAB weakling, I welcome competition…” Ironically, being a deep BIAB user puts me in a better position to evaluate competition, not a worse one. There’s a 19-minute Tonalic tutorial discussed elsewhere in the forum. Around the 6:30 mark, the narrator demonstrates editing a highlighted section where the algorithm alters data outside the selection to “intelligently humanize” the performance. That exact behavior was recently criticized here as a BIAB “bug” during partial regeneration, when in fact it’s BIAB doing the same thing, smoothing transitions and preserving musical continuity. That feature has existed for years. This is really my core point: When 90% of BIAB’s functionality is ignored or misunderstood, it becomes easy to misinterpret what competing software is doing, or to mistake long-standing BIAB features for innovations elsewhere. There’s nothing in that Tonalic tutorial that BIAB can’t already do. BIAB does with more instruments, more stylistic depth, more arrangement intelligence, and more compositional control. Tonalic may be a fun, focused tool, and competition is always healthy, but it’s far closer to a specialized guitar oriented idea generator than a true peer to BIAB.
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Re: This Is Your Brain on Music Bass Thumper 2 hours ago Forum: Off-Topic
Originally Posted by MarioD
In high school I knew a fellow musician with perfect pitch. He told me he hated it! He said anything that was off in a band, chorus, or music in general drove him up a wall. He went on to college and we lost touch.
Levitin spends a lot of time talking about pitch. Pitch is so important that the brain represents it directly; unlike almost any other musical attribute, we could place electrodes in the brain and be able to determine what pitches were being played to a person just by looking at the brain activity. And although music is based on pitch relations rather than absolute pitch values, it is paradoxically, these absolute pitch values that the brain is paying attention to throughout its different stages processing.
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Re: Our most popular song and a big thanks to PG Music Janice & Bud 3 hours ago Forum: User Showcase
Originally Posted by laurent4114
It's a very beautiful song with remarkable vocal quality. The guitars are also very good. Great work. Laurent
Thanks! We are happy you liked both the vocals and guitar. J&B
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Re: REVOLUTION Andrew Dee 3 hours ago Forum: User Showcase
Originally Posted by BlueAttitude
My new favorite from you, I really like the Rock vibe happening. Great groove and feel. Also like your vocal, and good to hear you playing too. Excellent!
Thanks Dave! I would prefer to play more of my own content, but also recognise this is a Showcase of BIAB, so I make sure there is some BIAB content, and because I use BIAB a lot in the development of a song idea, I like to leave enough in there that illustrates this.
Originally Posted by Birchwood
Nice, relaxed song. It has a bit of an '80s vibe. The lyrics do evoke a different feeling than the song's atmosphere. Funny! The guitar playing underlines that relaxed feeling perfectly! And your vocals (and the BG vocals) also fit very well. And these lines in your lyrics I like very much: "You say it’s time for a revolution, But I say you gotta deserve it first"
Thanks Hans! Regarding the music and lyrics having different intent, I had never thought of that. It makes me wonder what the song would be like if it had a different, more positive lyric? Hmmm. You've got me thinking ... but not enough to go through the effort. :grin
Originally Posted by Floyd jane
This Is Cool! I like everything about it - the write, the vocals and BGVs, the playing, the production. (I listened to both) A super catchy chorus. I hear the "Stones thing", but to my ear it is very early-Neil-Young-y (a very cool thing).
Thanks Floyd - I might have to go and listen to early Neil Young to understand what you are hearing.
Originally Posted by MarioD
Andrew, talk about an evolution! Revolution went through many phases didn't it! Super vocal and lyrics. Super groove and backing tracks. This is an excellent song.
Thanks Mario - I can safely say I won't be touching this song for a long time, so in that sense, the song was only fit enough to survive this long! Thank you to all for your wonderful comments and for listening! Andrew
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Re: GETTYSBURG rsdean 4 hours ago Forum: User Showcase
David, That’s very kind. Thank you. Bob
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Re: Second Time Around MarioD 4 hours ago Forum: User Showcase
Pete, this is one of your best. Great vocal and interplay with the lead guitar - brilliant work Loved that bass line and groove! Great lyrics and mix. Loved it
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Re: "Falling For You" - (nylon guitar & piano) MarioD 4 hours ago Forum: User Showcase
CArl, what a masterpiece. Loved that nylon guitar lead. Those arpeggiated chords fit perfectly Those strings were icing on the cake. Super mix. Loved it
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Re: COME LET US GO (instrumental version) MarioD 4 hours ago Forum: User Showcase
Brian, I had a flashback to my trip to the Caribbean! Many thanx for that! An outstanding song Loved the groove and instrumentation. Outstanding mix Loved it. PS - Are you a Marty Robbins fan?
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Re: Right After The Rain MarioD 4 hours ago Forum: User Showcase
David, you do absolutely fantastic with those synth voices. You make them sound real. Loved the groove and the backing band. You can never go wrong with a Maj 7 chord. Super mix Loved it. PS - I am also a big fan of the UFX Reverb.
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Re: "Soaring" - (accordion/piano/ac guitars) MarioD 5 hours ago Forum: User Showcase
Carl, you made that accordion talk! Super melody and chord progression. The piano and guitar is perfect for your leads. Super mix. An excellent composition and super chops on all of your instruments.
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Re: Spunky Little Find, Live busking track MarioD Yesterday at 11:55 PM Forum: User Showcase
Donny, it sounds like you are really tired. Am I right? Regardless this is a good song. I didn't mind all of those bends, they sounded OK to me. Keep on busking.
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Re: is this song junk that i did ? justanoldmuso Yesterday at 11:15 PM Forum: Off-Topic
Going through Minor Medical stuff no time Om
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Re: Pilgrimage Noel96 Yesterday at 10:35 PM Forum: User Showcase
Hey Janne. Wow! What an amazing work. You are truly a highly creative inventor when it comes to writing, arranging and producing music. This is first-class listening. I love your choice of voices and choice of instruments. Simply stunning. I also really like the major-to-minor key change. And using the more classic-voice sounding Lang Chuan vocals with the chorus was an excellent idea. The two different voices worked well together because of the way you arranged them. It felt like they belonged together. This is quite an amazing musical journey and definitely a creation to be proud of. --Noel P.S. I was super-impressed that you chose to be inspired by Australia. Mind you, I'm a bit biased because I happen to think that I live in one of the best countries on Earth. smile
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Re: New from Celemony jpettit Yesterday at 10:24 PM Forum: Off-Topic
He meant ARA2. It's a brand new product so it definitely uses the state of the art in ARA2. It has only been tested and certified in Studio One 7.2.3 > Studio Pro 8. This is primarily due to its integrated into the Effects Browser of the DAW. It is an integrated process of dragging from the browser tab to the arrangement in the song. Also, for a DAW to be compatible it has to support ARA2 and a chord track. The VST3 plugin version is complete stand alone process.
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Re: Wrong Mailbox (2026) Noel96 Yesterday at 10:15 PM Forum: User Showcase
Hey floyd. This is brilliant. Awesomeness on steroids! You really have a flair for creating entertaining comedy. Your live shows must have been excellent evenings for folks. I was reminded of "Reverend Bob's Beer and BBQ Big Tent Bible Revival." I love all the alliteration and the internal rhymes, and the story really drives along in a cascade of humorous images. It's like white-water rafting in the form of music. Honestly, I have no hope of ever being able to write a song like this however much I would like to. So I just sit back and admire and respect the black-belt level songwriting mastery that leads to such outstanding writing, arranging, performing and producing. I thoroughly enjoyed listening smile --Noel
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Re: when i say goodbye Birchwood Yesterday at 09:32 PM Forum: User Showcase
Hi Izzy, I loved what I heard. The song's structure is truly amazing; simple yet captivating. And at one point, the harmony vocals and some instruments come in. And then they disappear again. At one point, I was worried your voice wouldn't cut it, but you always manage. Yes, I loved it from the start. No special effects. Just you and the guitar, and then a bit more of that later. Amazing! And then the lyrics. Man, they're so good; "The lessons of love, like the breeze in the trees. Life is a game with no guarantees," or "No fire, no fight—just an open sky. Where your name doesn't hurt when I say goodbye." I wish I could write those lines. Again, beautiful, Izzy! Hans
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Re: Red Dirt Roads Birchwood Yesterday at 09:15 PM Forum: User Showcase
A cool song, Lee. I got the 'old days memories' back in my head with it. The harmonies are very smooth, well... everything sounds smooth. I can't see any 'but', no, just a lovely song about driving in the dirt. And what a place it is! Hans
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Re: A coeur ouvert Birchwood Yesterday at 08:42 PM Forum: User Showcase
Hi Chris. En écoutant votre chanson, j'étais ravi. Et vous savez ce que m'a dit mon cardiologue? Il a dit : « Quelle chanson géniale, avec des paroles hilarantes ! Je vous prescris de l'écouter deux fois par jour ! » (For our English speaking friends on the forum: When I listened to your song, I become very happy. And you know what my cardiologist told me? He said, "What a great song, with hilarious lyrics! I prescribe you to listen to it twice a day!") You realy made a lovely song and lovely vocals. And everything sounds so bright. Very nice. I enjoyed it!!! Are the vocals AI? Hans
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Re: Lyrics Document Window AudioTrack Yesterday at 08:08 PM Forum: Band-in-a-Box Wishlist Jump to new postsJump to new posts
A reasonable suggestion and one that would not be difficult to implement. +1 from me.
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Re: Celemony Tonalic - their announced take on BB style RealTracks - thoughts ? Mike Halloran Yesterday at 07:13 PM Forum: Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh Jump to new postsJump to new posts
It’s AI manipulation of samples which explains both the subscription and being browser based. Access to the massive data centers required for that much horsepower is not free. Even if you had a $32,000 NVIDIA tower or a quartet of Mac Studios linked together via USB 4.2 cables at 2/3 the price, you still couldn’t render it as quickly. Although it’s been possible to link multiple Macs to combine them as one over 10GB Ethernet since 2017 (Apple showed 20 Minis crunching an animation file at the 2018 WWDC), macOS 26.2 Tahoe has introduced new protocols for doing this over USB 4.2/TB5 making it much more efficient rivaling the NVIDIA tower. Even still, the studios are now crunching these massive files over the internet. No one is expecting Celemony to ever release this as a stand-alone product.
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Waiting for my free version.
That could happen. Celemony could certainly follow the same model as other browser based AI companies by releasing a “free” version and charging for usage by making you buy “credits”. Many companies have gone to this model. One AI stand-alone that I own is ACE Studio. Rendering a simple 3 minute, acapella 4-part choral demo can take well over an hour on my Studio M2 Ultra with 192GB Integrated RAM. Since these are demos only, my clients can forgive the fact that the “singers” don’t pronounce English or Latin as well as I would like. Fortunately, it wasn’t all that expensive.
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Re: Remembering "Buddy" floyd jane Yesterday at 06:25 PM Forum: User Showcase
Dan, Beautifully written, sung and produced. Sorry for your loss. fj
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Re: New PC Issues/possible solution dual drivers? justanoldmuso Yesterday at 06:21 PM Forum: Band-in-a-Box for Windows
messrs presley and picker....and any lurkers. you might find this usefull like others have re setting up and optimising a pc for music production. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=795663#Post795663 please note especially the comment re low dpc latency of a host pc. as well as the issue of running the net off the same pc as being used for music production. best....and happiness to all. om
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Re: Happy 80th birthday, Bud! (of Janice and Bud) Rustyspoon# Yesterday at 03:19 PM Forum: Off-Topic
Bud, You are inspiration for many in PGM universe and beyond, including me! Happy Birthday my musical friend, and many more to come!
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Re: Money In The Bottle BlueAttitude Yesterday at 02:32 PM Forum: User Showcase
I absolutely love this song, and love the video you did for it too! Thanks to everyone that mentioned my bit.
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Re: Question about holds balbuena Yesterday at 01:59 PM Forum: Band-in-a-Box for Windows
To respond to the audio track, I'm using the _cpopbal style. Then I add a violin track (number 1593) to the Melody track. I also add a piano track (1728) to the Soloist track and a PGmusique accordion user-track to utility 1. On the chord sheet, when I enter, for example, am.ml, we should normally only hear the Melody and Soloist tracks, but both tracks remain silent; it doesn't generate the re-tracks. And if I enter, for example, am.U1, we should normally hear the accordion user-track, but it remains silent. I've tried several styles, and the problem is the same. If you encounter the same problem, I hope PGmusique can resolve it. Thank you for your help, and I wish you all a wonderful day. (biab 2026 1220)
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