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I can get a fantastic track on Suno with a well thought out prompt. I can't get anywhere near a good song with BB. I'll offer more thought in January but will not be spending money this year on an outdated piece of software.
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Thanks but it’s not so obscure. It’s a genuine speculation and I think an apt reference. If you do a Slow Rebuild, user styles and third party styles are revealed. If you then do a Fast Rebuild, do they disappear, only to reappear after the next Slow Rebuild? I really don’t know. ps Brigadoon was one of my favorite shows to play in the pit, but it’s the periodic disappearance aspect that’s relevant here. And if I’m right, then what I’ve speculated and said for many years would be true: there should be no such thing as a Fast Rebuild.
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Enchanting, evocative, extraordinary. A thoroughly captivating example of composition and songwriting.
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Asking a computer to do everything for you, which is what Suno and other similar AI programs do, is not "creating" anything. Creating music involves much more than that.
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The word that comes to mind as I listen to this piece is "soothing." I like the way the incidental instruments swirl around the pianos, each weaving its own magic. Brilliant!
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The few times I've used Ember, Alistaire or anyone else at the Help Desk, I've encountered pleasant, enthusiastically and talented support. They're the best. How many other software packages have Live Help like we have here? Not many, that's for sure...
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There's a lot to like about this song. The energy of the music, mixed with the pathos of the lyrics, works wonderfully well. I cut my musical teeth on murder ballads and Tom Paxton's deeply moving story songs back in the 60s, so it certainly resonates with me. Great job.
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Thanks very much Mike for your detailed response. 👍 I'll let you know how I get on with Tahoe and the install process.
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What a great song! So rare to hear one that isn't lame, hackneyed or schmaltzy (the ones I wrote fall into that category). There's a tender, wistful quality to the lyrics and the backing is a perfect match. Well done.
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Thanks DC! Yeah I was definitely riding my freakaholic space trip crazy train. But I appreciate the listen man, and I hope you came back from outer space in one piece!!! Happy upcoming Thanksgiving.
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Andrew, suspect the joy of listening to albums end-to-end has been diluted by modern realities like streaming and short attention spans. But if I were slotting songs for an album, I would make EVERY song a banger with a quick hook and a snappy ending so that the listener can't wait to get to the next song. Save the most challenging song for the end. By then, the listener will be either invested or checked out. Hopefully the former. Be forewarned, I'm an unsophisticated dabbler in shallow pop music, and I shamelessly only post songs that I think listeners will enjoy. Furthermore, I have never released an album, nor do I think I ever will. But none of that stops me from having an opinion. So...grain of salt, and all that... But I think it's very cool you are going to release an album. Much respect. Mario makes a great point about mastering levels across the tracks.
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I am always amused by the assuredness with which AI answers. Then you say, but if that’s true, then why is this the case. AI then apologizes, says how you are right to question the first answer, and around we go again. Yes, I agree and have observed this over-confidence and then apologetic outputs from publically available LLMs many times. But "However #1" is how many times have we experienced over-confident output from humans that when they are proven wrong do not apologize or even acknowledge their faulty thinking? "However #2" : In the big scheme of things AI technology is still only an infant; we ain't seen nothin' yet. We find ourselves in the rather comical situation of expecting large language models to respond fluently, intelligently, responsibly, instantly and accurately to all sorts of esoteric questions and demands that no individual human could ever hope to match. People get irritated when these [free to the user] AI systems fail to answer flawlessly while simultaneously debating wheather they are intelligent at all . . . comical. Consider the fact that we are running out of intelligence tests that humans can pass reliably that AI models cannot. Think of the now quaint example of Gary Kasparov being beaten at chess by a relatively primitive computer by today’s standards. By those benchmarks, not only is AI intelligent, but I would argue that that there is no individual person on this forum or on the planet that can match the reasoning and general knowledge of today’s publicly available AI bots. And my prediction, based on the massive scaling that continues in this space [around the world] that soon an AI’s intelligence will exceed that of all humanity, both living and dead. Personally, I see no intellectual hurdle to accept that our technologies exceed our innate capabilities: In physical strength: think earth mover In computation: think simple hand calculator or spreadsheet In land speed: think automobile In water speed: think speed boat In air speed: think fighter jet In underwater duration: think submarine In space duration: think satelite In dexterity: think surgical robots In high temperature, low temperature, caustic/toxic environments, and on and on. Why is intelligence, or even creativity any different? To those that might disagree, are you game for going up against DeepMind’s AlphaProof LLM at the next International Mathematical Olympiad? Or what about a friendly programming competition between you and ChatGPT?  https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/11/deepminds-latest-an-ai-for-handling-mathematical-proofs/
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As much as I appreciate the solo work of you three, when I listen to the band, the old saying "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts" comes to mind. Excellent song, perfect guitar, a bass that holds everything together, and it's no secret that I'm a HUGE fan of Chris' vocals. Love the song, and love the production. Perfection ![[Linked Image]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/images/icons/default/thumbs_up.gif)
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You have the amazing gift of putting your everyday thoughts into song lyrics as if you were having a normal conversation with someone. And you make really good songs out of them Enjoyed my listen! PS: It would be great (if time allows) if you could also comment on other people's songs (not necessarily mine, but in general), because that's what makes this forum so interesting. Feedback, whether positive or critical, helps us all to improve, or, in the best case scenario, gives  songwriters confirmation that they are not the only ones who like their own songs.
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"Regarding the lyrics, some of them can best be described as ‘oblique’ – meaning they only have a thin connection to the theme." We call that a "connect your own dots" lyric ... a style we always find engaging. … Thanks J&B! I’ve seen you mention your ‘connect the dots’ references before. There’s been a couple of times recently where I’ve been working on words that are oblique and hear my mind saying ‘J&B say it’s okay to connect the dots’. Ha! 😜 Thanks for listening! Andrew
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My 3rd listen. Soundcloud sounds better to me, but maybe my eyes distract my ears a bit in YT. THis is such a good one, Andrew. There is so much in there, and still brilliantly mixed. This is the first time I saw all of the tracks you've mixed in, and I'm now even more impressed. So well done throughout. Thanks Marty - three listens - thank you! Maybe that could be an album title! ‘Listen at least thrice’. The YT and SC posts are the same track - but I had better go back and check. When I am working on a song, I post to SC in private mode then go listening on different devices, then replace the track with the final, so I have different versions kicking around and hope I haven’t used an earlier version for YT. I’ll check. Re the number of mixed tracks, I use Groups in Reaper (buses in Cakewalk) for 1. Drums, bass and percussion 2. Guitars 3. Vocals, and finally keys as they are, then ‘mix’ each group, then mix the groups together - tweaking all as I go. This is all aimed at balance and finding space and avoiding competition. Usually, I add any effects to tracks prior to this mixing so that I am mixing the ‘effected’ tracks. It seems to have worked for my last few songs, so I have to be aware I don’t become too formulaic about it. Thanks for listening! Andrew
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Hi Beth, Excellent write, vocals and lyrics! I enjoyed the melody, as well as the chord progression, with its sometimes unexpected changes. Outstanding production and mix, well done! Bob
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Hi Rob, Great 60s-style tune! Surf guitar and the vocalist make it sound more like an American than a British song, but that's fine with me. Enjoyed the surf guitar solo. Superb write, production and mix! Bob
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Oh, what a great idea, Scott --a melody you sang to your son. I have those too --a;ways made up songs for them. Also, Ogden Nash (I think) said, "It is every father's duty to make up stories for his children." So, man, that was a lot of fun. Speaking of fun. Man, this is an outstanding masterpiece for your first dive into instumental music. What an extraordinary production.
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Excellent production and the supporting video was very engaging. Us two seniors definitely get the narrative. Like Bob mentioned we too felt a Neil Young vibe -- a good thing. The BiaB wrecking crew served you well and your vocals sound very good. Nice mix that is open and airy on our monitors. Well done ... all around. Glad you had a good outcome. J&B
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Hey! I was feeling happy through the whole song! Jona Ah, makes me feel good to hear that, Jona. Thank you. Great track, the chorus is especially strong! Horns were primo, always happy to see BIAB horns get some use. Lyrically, I thought it would be a cautionary tale, but you applied your unique vision to that. When I read the lyrics I wasn't sure about the prosody, but you sang it perfectly. Got that chorus stuck in my head now. Thanks, Bob. As mentioned, the original intent was for guitar, but Dave was busy. Zydecoal Bill suggested horns, and Dave said I owe Bill a case of beer. Yeah, my only suggestion to kids is have fun. It's more of a limerick than iambic pentameter. Good one, Marty! Man, you have those drums sounding great, bass not too shabby either Love the horns too. Thanks, Dave. I remember when you got EZDrummer, and I said it would take up too much of my time. Man, was I right about that, but I love the creative fun. Most excellent funky joy song! You really are a prolific songwriter. Love the horns and the video is perfect for the song. Hi, Chay. Thanks so much. Kids dancing with abandon always makes for a good visual.
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Cool effect of an underwater sound and some great lyrics.
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Now that's a cool piece. Very unique and I love the chug of the bass and violin. Love the male/female vocals. Love what you've been doing lately.
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I'll never forget when my buddies and I discovered reggae as young teens. Then we saved up our money and saw The Harder They Come; a non-Hollywood/counter-cultural film totally foreign to us. I wonder how many bands he inspired. Thanks for your contributions and the memories Jimmy . . . your impact will live on!
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