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#208736 - 07/05/13 10:16 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar
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If a song has a mix of 3/4 and 4/4 time signatures, and needs to start in 3/4, it needs to use a 4/4 style and use F5 to set the first bar to 3/4. However, this means that the count-in will be in 4/4 when the song then actually starts in 3/4.

It seems to me that it would be a whole lot more practical if Band In A Box just produced the count-in using the same time-signature as the first bar of the song. If the first bar plays in 3/4, the count in should automatically be in 3/4. This would be a great improvement.

Hope others approve.

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#208738 - 07/05/13 10:27 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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#208810 - 07/06/13 07:27 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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#209219 - 07/10/13 03:48 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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I remember the first time, after learning that I must use a 4/4 style if I wanted to have both 4/4 and 3/4, setting the first bar to 3/4 and getting a 4/4 count-in. Whoa.
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#209264 - 07/11/13 02:11 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: Matt Finley]
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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
I remember the first time, after learning that I must use a 4/4 style if I wanted to have both 4/4 and 3/4, setting the first bar to 3/4 and getting a 4/4 count-in. Whoa.


Yes, totally agree Matt. Expecting a 3/4 count-in, but getting a 4 beat count-in and then immediately launching into a 3/4 song is very distracting. I got used to it but nevertheless there has to be a much nicer way.

Frankly, I don't think it would be incredibly difficult for the program to determine the time signature at the first bar and apply a count-in to suit. (2013.5 !!??)
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#209291 - 07/11/13 12:46 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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#209732 - 07/17/13 05:32 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: MikeK]
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#209739 - 07/17/13 07:11 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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Thinking further upon this, I can make a case for BIAB looking at the first several bars to determine the count-off, if the number of beats per bar varies and that variation repeats. And you should be able to override the program's choice.

For Take Five, where you might write repeating measures of 3 beats then 2 beats, it would be nice to get a count-in of 3, 2.

For another example, let's say we are writing out Blue Rondo a la Turk as measures with beats as follows: 2, 2, 2, 3. You might want to reproduce all four measures as the count-in. Or, perhaps you would be comfortable with a 4/4 count-in because of the transition from the bridge.
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#209771 - 07/17/13 05:02 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: Matt Finley]
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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Thinking further upon this, I can make a case for BIAB looking at the first several bars to determine the count-off, if the number of beats per bar varies and that variation repeats. And you should be able to override the program's choice.

For Take Five, where you might write repeating measures of 3 beats then 2 beats, it would be nice to get a count-in of 3, 2. (etc...)

Thanks Matt. Of course you are exactly correct, but I hope these additional technicalities don't get PG to put this in the too hard basket. I understand that the program works with limitations for songs containing bars with different time signatures, slicing off beats to get the correct value.

However, for these occassions, maybe a much easier way is to just provide an override option checkbox in the Song Settings dialog:



Any takers?


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#210097 - 07/22/13 04:18 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack

However, for these occassions, maybe a much easier way is to just provide an override option checkbox in the Song Settings dialog:



Any takers?




+1 anyone????
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#237585 - 01/28/14 01:38 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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A BIG +1

If I could expand on it why not make any number of beats available for a count-in? This would satisfy any time signature from 2/4 to 12/8 including 5/4 and such. This goes along with what Matt had said earlier.
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#237599 - 01/28/14 03:21 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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Yes, +1 for override. I did mention that above.
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#237641 - 01/28/14 08:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: Matt Finley]
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Thanks Guys for your endorsement. Yes, the mock-up is only a concept, and could definitely be improved on.

The key point is that the count-in could be tailored to suit each specific song, rather than relying on Global Settings. As mentioned, this would be great for songs in different time signatures (5/4 etc)

It might be something like:


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#342324 - 03/29/16 02:58 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar

BUMP !!!!
There has been absolute forum members agreement, not one objection, but nothing happened in about 3 years.

This is a really important issue. If the song starts in 3/4, please just provide a 3/4 count in. Just like every musician in the real world does.

(Instead of looking at the time-signature of the song to decide the count-in, just look at the time-signature of the first bar. C'mon team, not hard, surely?)

Please support this PGM. This is a Wishlist for Product Improvements, not a lucky-dip wishing well. There is a difference. Please support this pragmatic request.
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#342394 - 03/29/16 02:16 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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+1 Agree for the second time. This needs to be done.
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#342996 - 04/02/16 12:00 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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#345167 - 04/15/16 03:03 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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I wish Peter said 'Thanks' or 'Good Idea' or at least something to this one....
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#345847 - 04/18/16 09:02 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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#346005 - 04/19/16 06:47 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: Mike. R.]
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Thanks Mike

Yours, and others ongoing support for this fundamentally very reasonable request is appreciated <hint> wink
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#349623 - 05/13/16 08:21 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Count-In based on actual time-signature of first bar [Re: VideoTrack]
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