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Honestly, this is absolutely baffling me and getting me so irritated! For example, I type in "A b9" (an obvious guess, one would think) and what do I get, I get a %$#%$!! A flat, with a regular 9th!
I've looked through that way overlong & cumbersome pulldown menu in the Chord Builder, and so far haven't found a single case of flat 9 to pick, so any help or suggestion would be greatly appreciated.


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You got to tell it more.

A7b9 would be dominate, or
Amaj7b9

I think?


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That seems probable and amongst the many combos with a flat 9 I did spot a 7b9, sure, but I only want the flat 9...and I can't seem to figure out how to input it! I would have thought just typing "b9" with your chord would do it, like I said, but apparently not.
I'm starting to think it's simply not an option they considered smirk


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Actually, what I'm really looking for is in fact a "dimsus" chord, but that's obviously too rare for BBox (I had never herd of it either until last week!). When I played the notes on my old keyboard, its "chord indicator" feature displayed it as the relative IV with a flat 9 added, which I thought would be easier to find...


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If you just typed Cb9, it would think it's a variation of a C-flat chord. And unfortunately, BIAB doesn't support typing C9b, such as it does for C5b (to avoid confusion with a C-flat 5). I think the closest you'll get is a C7b9 (which you already discovered). Maybe that should be a wishlist item, although at this point, I doubt you'll get any RealTracks to play it; it would be MIDI only.


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Indeed. I did consider going straight to the Wishlist with this one, but just to cover myself decided to at least check here in case I had overlooked something.


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The only way that I know off to get an Aaddb9 chord is A/Bb. That will give you A-C#-E-Bb but probably not in the inversion that you want.


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In BIAB go to Help-Index-type in Chord-then click on Chord List. All of BIAB's chords are there.


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Originally Posted By: MarioD
The only way that I know off to get an Aaddb9 chord is A/Bb. That will give you A-C#-E-Bb but probably not in the inversion that you want.
I hadn't thought of that, so that may be one way (with the snag you already spotted tough, but still), thanks for the idea.
What complicates the matter in this particular case is that my desired root note is neither the root note of the I-chord, nor of the 9th like your suggestion, but of its relative IV, as I mentioned.

Its a tricky situation indeed smirk

p.s. Is it possible that a "dimsus" chord may be known under another name? I'm wondering if that alternative is in the pulldown and my limited chord knowledge just isn't recognising it as the same chord...grasping straws here, I know.


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Originally Posted By: raymb1
In BIAB go to Help-Index-type in Chord-then click on Chord List. All of BIAB's chords are there.
Thanks, shall look into that next.


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Originally Posted By: raymb1
In BIAB go to Help-Index-type in Chord-then click on Chord List. All of BIAB's chords are there.
Update: Did this and "Chord List" doesn't come up as available topic, so I can't "click on" something that's not there smirk


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My post was made after checking the chord list, as well. It just doesn't do what you are looking for.


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Update #2: Found the Chord List on here instead of the program, the chord I'm looking for isn't listed, or at least not by the only two names I know it. Which brings me to what should perhaps have been my question all along: Does anyone recognise the chord with the following notes, and if so then by what name(s)?

The notes are: I - IV - bV - VI (or in key of C: C - F - Gb - A).


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Originally Posted By: Icelander
Originally Posted By: MarioD
The only way that I know off to get an Aaddb9 chord is A/Bb. That will give you A-C#-E-Bb but probably not in the inversion that you want.
I hadn't thought of that, so that may be one way (with the snag you already spotted tough, but still), thanks for the idea.
What complicates the matter in this particular case is that my desired root note is neither the root note of the I-chord, nor of the 9th like your suggestion, but of its relative IV, as I mentioned.

Its a tricky situation indeed smirk



IF you are working with MIDI you can arrange the notes in any version that you like. This is one of the reasons I work a lot in MIDI. If you are working with RTs then you are at the mercy of the program.


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Originally Posted By: Icelander
Is it possible that a "dimsus" chord may be known under another name?

Not in BIAB.

Originally Posted By: Icelander
Does anyone recognise the chord with the following notes, and if so then by what name(s)?
The notes are: I - IV - bV - VI (or in key of C: C - F - Gb - A).

I sure don't. Do you have a musical example? And if so, is it by chance played by a guitar where not all the notes in the chord are being played? And where does b9 come in?


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Matt, it looks to me that we've changed from an A(b9) chord to an F(b9) chord with a C bass note.

So the F(b9) chord would be F - A - C - Gb, but with the C on the bottom and then then notes played more like a flat-2 than a flat-9: F - Gb - A.

But I think what he probably really wants is a dim7sus, which is not supported (and which I have not heard of before). That would seem to result in C - F - Gb - A (The dim7 chord would be C - Eb - Gb - A, but the 4 (F) would substitute for the 3rd, so that's where you get the F and end up with C - F - Gb - A). But I feel like I'm making stuff up now.

But Icelander would have to properly clarify.

I would probably enter an F7b9/C, and if you don't like the Eb in the chord (assuming MIDI), just freeze the track and edit it out). Or enter it as Cdim7 (and again, freeze the track and change the Eb to an F).


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Originally Posted By: Icelander
Update #2: Found the Chord List on here instead of the program, the chord I'm looking for isn't listed, or at least not by the only two names I know it. Which brings me to what should perhaps have been my question all along: Does anyone recognise the chord with the following notes, and if so then by what name(s)?

The notes are: I - IV - bV - VI (or in key of C: C - F - Gb - A).


One of the ways those notes could be in a chord would be over a D bass, making it a D7#9


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So the F(b9) chord would be F - A - C - Gb, but with the C on the bottom and then then notes played more like a flat-2 than a flat-9: F - Gb - A.

But I think what he probably really wants is a dim7sus, which is not supported (and which I have not heard of before). That would seem to result in C - F - Gb - A (The dim7 chord would be C - Eb - Gb - A, but the 4 (F) would substitute for the 3rd, so that's where you get the F and end up with C - F - Gb - A). But I feel like I'm making stuff up now.
No, you're not "making stuff up", you've absolutely nailed what I'm after right there, a "dimsus"! eek
I too only saw this "dimsus" thing for the first time myself last week, on the choir sheet I've been asked to make backing tracks for. When I then came up short in BBox, I resorted to looking at the notes being sung in that particular bar, and they were those four notes I listed above. My old auto-accompaniment keyboard listed those four notes as a flat 9 added to the F major, hence my initial question as I thought finding that would be easier...but apparently not.

So now we 'only' need to figure out how the heck I'm actually gonna do it smirk


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Originally Posted By: Icelander
The notes are: I - IV - bV - VI (or in key of C: C - F - Gb - A).


Gbm[maj7]b5

Well if that is an actual chord, that could be what you call it. crazy


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Originally Posted By: jazzmandan
Gbm[maj7]b5

Well if that is an actual chord, that could be what you call it. crazy
I hadn't thought of it this way, thanks cool


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