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Yep, that's where I'm at now with Frontier, $158 a month. The new year is coming and something is gonna change, just not sure what yet.
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Just discovered this chocked-full thread. Very timely for me as I've just started a three-pronged experiment in cord cutting: 1) Bought Tivo OTA refurb at half price, 2) signed up for the new DirecTV Now service, and 3) will begin 6-mo "vacation" from DISH at end of cycle (leaves dish & receiver in place - just not working).
The Tivo deal is still on in case anyone's interested: Tivo.com. $200 brings the dvr box and a lifetime guide subscription (hope mentioning price is OK..sorry if not, but wanted to pass on what seems to me to be a great deal).
The DirecTV Now pkg is loaded with channels including ESPN and ESPN2 and all news channels. Grandfathered in to the 2nd highest tier- they say - at $35/mo as long as I keep paying monthly.
Just a few days into this and still getting the hang of it. Tivo functionality may end up being even better than locals on DISH. DirecTV Now is a little quirky, but improved over a few days. No DVR on this one and that may be its achilles heel, but I think it will be OK, especially when I consider I'm paying $35/mo instead of $100 (if you don't count the intial $200 investment). Anyway, time for a paradigm shift, and I can always go back to DISH after the "vacation" if it doesn't work out.
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PS: Just wanted to say thanks to so many posters for all I've learned, and continue to learn, on these forums. I'm not new to BIAB, but I've also not used it for several years and was never that accomplished with it or other DAW related software. So, learning, re-learning, and getting re-acquainted with the only bandmates courageous enough to sit in with me, those fantastic players in the box!
I'm aware how accomplished many of you are, musically and technically. Hope you don't mind a duffer/hobbyist in your midst.
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Thanks for this info Nozart. I may jump on that Tivo deal too.
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I've been reading all about Directv Now. Here's a good article: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/30/13788934/directv-now-att-internet-tv-service-questions-pricing-channelsIn addition to this I heard on he news yesterday that they've reached a deal with CBS but it's not linked up to the service yet. For me this channel lineup is impressive. Everything I usually watch is there except for the Lakers and I've decided I can live without that, I have other choices to watch them. The one thing that might bother me is picture quality. In my case my 60" big screen is my computer monitor so I'll be running this through my PC so no streaming box required and this article says it's "mostly" 1080P. My Frontier Fios is the best you can get right now and my pic quality is great, I'll just have to see if the pic quality is good enough or not. Oh, there is no cloud DVR yet but it's supposedly coming and right now that $200 Tivo shows out of stock. I'm going to sign up for this (and keep Frontier for now) and I'll report back how it's going. Bob
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It's the combo of the Tivo OTA and the DirecTV Now that was the tipping point for me. When I looked over my DISH recordings I was almost surprised to see that about half are OTA even though I watch virtually no prime time shows. Morning and evening news, network & local, all the late night shows, and many PBS shows. I then pick and choose bits and pieces. For instance, I might binge "best of" late nite interviews/monologs totalling an hour or so on weekends. Even though the Tivo OTA is out of stock, the deal is still posted, so I'd presume it can still be back-ordered at half price.
OTA PQ is of course the best available, and PQ on the DTV Now surprised me by looking 1080-ish after a minute to stabilize (and unfortunately sometimes a stutter-buffer or frame freeze in the first couple of minutes). After that, good to go. Don't forget to set 1080 in prefs. My guess is that this is the kind of thing that's likely to improve.
The smooth functionality of DISH's STB is what's likely to be missed most here. But I like the tradeoff.
I will also follow up after I've had a chance to watch more..no time here since Tuesday.
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The smooth functionality of DISH's STB is what's likely to be missed most here. But I like the tradeoff. That's what it boils down to, isn't it? That $35/month deal is temporary. The regular price for everything will be $60/month and another fiver for HBO if I want it. I know that when I drop Frontier my internet by itself will be $60. Call it $100 per month with the special deal or $120 without it. So I'm saving about $40-50. The Frontier DVR is a 3 tuner and works perfect. If I manage to get that Tivo it's about $17/month for the first year. For what I do it's beginning to look like minimal point shaving. It's not like I'm broke and simply can't afford it. Hmmmm... Bob
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Here's the latest from Youtube: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/apps/a25443/youtube-wants-to-sell-you-tv/This article says it includes unlimited DVR functions presumably online. I wonder if that will include the ability to skip commercials? Bob
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Following your journey here closely Bob. I have both Comcast TV and internet. While I love the internet speed and reliability, the cost and my use of their TV services are becoming questionable, especially after they jumped my service from an introductory $90 a month to $160 a month for the same service.
Like you, I am seriously looking at cutting the cord on the TV side while keeping their internet service. Its definitely a trade off with other services, guess I've become addicted to what Comcast offers.
Did notice the YouTube announcement yesterday, searched, but haven't found any further details. This seems like it might be the one. With their backing by Google, they have a built in subscribed base. If this can be converted, it may just be the game changer.
Keep this thread going, I'm definitely following.
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How they got me is this. My favorite stations are not in the basic tier. However, the stations I want are not in one tier, so I had to buy 2 programming tiers. I am going to DEEPLY research the live sports thing though. Even though all I have is the Browns for my NFL team, I have the Cavs and Indians, so one champion and one that was an out away from the World Series last year. I do like my teams. If I can find them free, it may be time to cut the cord here too. My TV is about $159 of my total bill, bundled with internet it is almost $200. I have 70mbps down though and like that speed.
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Believe me Eddie I've checked out the sports problem very deeply and so far, no good answers. If you haven't bought that package through the cable provider and you find the game somewhere, it's blacked out.
Here in LA the Lakers signed a multibillion dollar deal with Time Warner, now Spectrum and dropped all local TV broadcasts so I can't even put up an antenna and get any games. It sucks man. If you're a sports fan you're simply screwed. About the only thing I can say is there are so many (as in millions) of people in the same boat I've read about "possibilities" being considered to somehow get the sports ala carte. The big question of course is at what cost? If it costs us fifty bucks a month to get them then who cares?
After digging into this I learned it's the cable company sub fees that's funding all the leagues and paying the players salaries. Advertising on broadcast TV isn't even a drop in that bucket. It's all coming from us paying for those bundles.
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I wonder if that will include the ability to skip commercials? Well, I'm wondering no more, here's the bad news: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/04/12/youtube-tv-customers-will-be-forced-to-watch-commercials-on-recorded-shows/It's obvious they're gonna get us one way or the other. Everybody hates commercials especially the ones on cable... "WAIT, there's more..." I'd slit my wrists if I was forced to watch all that crap. Bob
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For sports, I've been hearing about this lately, though no personal experience .. https://www.fubo.tv/welcome
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Thanks but for for me this doesn't have Spectrum which carries the Lakers or TNT which handles the few times they're on national TV. I see it costs $35 and my internet alone would be $60. That's the same $95 with the new DirecTV streaming service. Add in a few subs like Netflix or whatever and I'm close to what I'm paying now but without the 3 tuner DVR capability.
I don't see any free lunches any time soon.
Bob
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Hey Bob! Sorry for resurrecting this old post but I just got into the cord cutting game for the first time. My experience is much like Beagle below in that I'm an AT&T cable and internet user spending about the same on the cable part. I cut the cord about a year ago. I had been paying AT&T U-verse $150/month for about 200 channels of crap and I could never find anything I wanted to watch!
we also have AT&T for internet - I increased our download plan to 50Mbps and dropped UVerse, bought an antenna to pick up local broadcasts, subscribed to Hulu and Amazon prime and I'm still saving nearly $100/month!
In my case, I'm 10 miles out of St. Louis on the Illinois side. The first purchase was an indoor digital antenna that just hangs on the window facing the city. I get about 5 main channels and each one has 3 or 4 sub channels so that's 20+ OTA channels. Another thing I had to figure out was multiple rooms with TV. I wanted to go with a new TIVO OTA DVR but they want you to buy more equipment with each room. Also, in 2 of the 3 rooms with TV, I have dumb (older, non-HDMI/USB port) TVs. My low-cost solution to that was to purchase two of those $39 Amazon Firesticks and plug those into HDMI-to-Composite(RCA Cable) adaptors for each TV. Now all TVs are set up to stream video. Final step was to purchase a Tablo 4-Tuner OTA DVR. This one is nice since it just connects to my home network and digital antenna. I can stream live TV off the digital antenna on any TV in the house as well as record any of that through the Tablo. I can stream straight to my phone as well even away from home. I purchased an external USB drive for the Tablo to store recorded TV on, 4TB (excessive but $99 Amazon special). I also subscribe to Netflix and Hulu (about $19/month total). So between the subscriptions and local TV, I'm covered fairly well and bye-bye to expensive cable.
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I just cut my cable also, as well as switched internet service providers at the same time. I had ATT UVerse, but switched to Cox hi speed internet (4 times the speed I had with ATT at a lower cost).
I get about 45 stations with my 45-mile range antenna mounted about 20 feet up. ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CW, PBS, plus a ton of independents.
I share Netflix with my son and HBO Go with my sister. I bought the TiVo OTA (one time cost, and you get the 2-week look ahead TV Guide without a monthly fee). It also has the HBO and NetFlix apps integrated. My wife loves it. We are definitely not lacking for content.
Based on what I was paying for cable, everything pays for itself in about five months.
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Great to hear John! That TIVO looked like a really good box.
The Tablo I bought has a monthly/yearly guide fee but they also offer a lifetime guide fee that I used to avoid future charges on the 2-week look ahead guide.
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And we found that most of what we watched was on the networks anyway, so we're not losing much without cable. We switched as the season ended, so we didn't miss any shows (the few we did, we just watched on-demand from the network web sites - I have an old laptop next to the TV plugged in via HDMI and a wireless mouse keyboard). We just reset season passes (TIVO calls it OnePass) for all the shows we want and then watch at our leisure. Also, the picture quality is better than we were getting from cable, since OTA is uncompressed HD.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)
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The picture quality is better than we were getting from cable, since OTA is uncompressed HD. Yes! I enjoy the sharp image.
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Nothing to be sorry about Steve, I've been hoping this thread would be updated. My whole situation has changed. I've just retired and a house purchase came up suddenly that I couldn't turn down so now I live up in the mountains 125 miles outside of LA. Great area but no cable so my cord cutting options are limited. ATT is running fiber optic within 5 or 10 miles of me and I've been told it's coming into my community but not yet. For business reasons I must have internet (I'm now working part time as a tax consultant) so I just put in Viasat internet which works well enough and DirecTV as a bundle. Viasat is much better than HughesNet but it's no good for HD streaming so none of this cool stuff will work for me but maybe it will in a year or so.
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Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 22.
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 22 requires the 2026 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 11 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2026 and Higher!
XPro Styles PAK 11 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box® version 2026 (and higher) is here with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 31 RealTracks/RealDrums!
Guess who’s back again? That’s right! It’s our XPro Styles PAK’s triumphant return with the 11th edition in this series! 100 new styles are coming your way spread across the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres. And this edition's wildcard genre explores the immense and far-reaching catalogue of electronic music! The included 31 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Special offers available until August 31st, 2026!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1-11 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 11 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2026 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 22 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2026 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 22 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2026 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
It’s time to celebrate! Xtra Styles PAK 22 for Band-in-a-Box® is here, and we've got 200 brand-new styles coming your way!
No Xtra Styles PAK is complete without the classic rock & pop, jazz, and country volumes you know and love, and we’ve got plenty to share, with 150 styles spread across too many genres to list! Of course, it also wouldn’t be complete with our special wildcard volume to add a little spice and pizzazz to the mix. This year, because we loved it so much the first time, we’ve decided to make the second iteration of our SynthMaster volume, full of new sounds, interesting genres, and 50 engaging styles, all making use of the diverse SynthMaster plugin! Here you can find genres such as airy yacht rock, sultry electrotango, and even some synth soca funk. Don’t wait, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 22 today!
In this PAK you can find: dulcet folk ballads, funky gospel country, Brazilian jazz fusion, upbeat 1980s pop, classic Americana, a plethora of breezy bossa novas, indie singer-songwriter, scintillating synthwave, exuberant electronica, and many, many more!
Special offers available until August 31st, 2026!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1-22 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 22 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 22.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 22 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 22 requires the 2026 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Peter Gannon Talks Band-in-a-Box with zplane
zplane recently interviewed Peter Gannon, the founder and creator of Band-in-a-Box, about the software's early days, what sets it apart from AI, how zplane's audio algorithms are used in Band-in-a-Box, and more!
Special thanks to the team at zplane for their continued support.
Check out the full interview here: https://products.zplane.de/blog/peter-gannon-interview-pg-music
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