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#469966 - 04/28/18 01:58 PM
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I never dreamed I would post this song. I've never even considered recording it. After clifton and David broached the subject in their songs, I went and dug this up. This is a snapshot of a specific time in our history. And the reactions and feelings from certain segments of America. It tells the story of a "conflicted" veteran. And how he (and others like him) were treated by a small (or maybe less than small), but very vocal group of the Americans he had gone to war for. This sentiment, fortunately, no longer seems to exists. But it ripped the fabric of America at the time. We have healed. The Wall commemorates those who gave their lives for the ideals of America. Those who returned no longer face the anger and ridicule that some chose to greet them with at the time. That should give us all hope for the future. Again, keep in mind this was written in 1975. (I was 20). A snapshot in time. UNPOPULAR HERO i was raised in the bible belt by mom and apple pie all my life i pledged allegiance while the stars and stipes would fly and when my notice came the canadian border never crossed my mind like my grampa, my dad and my uncles i was proud to serve my time unpopular hero in an unpopular war i was still a virgin she stood leaning in the door she just wants her pay she don't want my love she just want her pay i read the history they wrote i saw the movies they made audey murphy, john wayne and my dad came home to ticker tape parades but when we came home no one looked us in the eye we didn't want to talk of it but no one asked us why unpopular hero in an unpopular war we were all just virgins she stood leaning in the door she just wants her pay she don't want my love she just want her pay i've got pictures you don't want to see swirling through my head every day i fight to forget my fight is all but dead go ahead, ignore us maybe we'll go away will anyone mention vietnam come memorial day unpopular hero in an unpopular war sixty thousand virgins please no more it's too much to pay it's too much to pay The BAND: Style is _LAMENT.STY (Lament Modern Pop Country Ballad) RealTracks in style: 1825:Bass, Electric, PopModernGrooveHeld Ev16 075 RealTracks in style: 1537:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm PopBelieveArp Ev16 065 RealTracks in style: 1037:Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm NorthernRockBallad Ev 065 RealTracks in song: 3056:Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm Pop16thsSyncBrent Ev16 085 RealTracks in song: 836:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm AltCountryRootsy Ev 075 (A:muted) RealDrums in style: ModernPopBallad16ths^01-a:Quiet hat, Sync-kick, b:Open hat, Sync-kick floyd
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#469970 - 04/28/18 02:12 PM
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#469984 - 04/28/18 03:20 PM
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Re: Another "Vietnam Song"
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Floyd,
A tremendous song... Outstanding and heavy write for a twenty year old. Very cool to hear you perform this now - I love the way it sounds like you are looking back.
I also love the mix and the way the rhythm guitars bubble underneath the track.
Headed back for my third listen...
Bob
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#469990 - 04/28/18 03:44 PM
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Re: Another "Vietnam Song"
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Spot on Floyd that's the way you do it.
Did you use realtracks or loops or are you playing the guitar ?.
I would love to hear the original even if recording standards were not as advanced (a wee tape recording maybe) WHY..?, I love all that stuff, vinyl,tape, my passion.
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#469993 - 04/28/18 04:00 PM
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Re: Another "Vietnam Song"
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Great song about a very sad time in our history. I lost seven friends in that war.
As usual your mix, vocals and lyrics are top notch.
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#470012 - 04/28/18 04:34 PM
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Re: Another "Vietnam Song"
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No words. In all the best ways. I can't even imagine aside from glimpses like this. Thanks for giving some insight.
And..
Thank you to everyone who has served. I NEVER take that lightly.
This song will haunt me for a bit.
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#470024 - 04/28/18 04:51 PM
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Re: Another "Vietnam Song"
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No it;s not another Vienmam war song, it is an outstanding Vietnam war, era song. This just brings to life that period that is so remarkable in all of it's glory and horror. THis is down to earth, from someone who was in the time period. Love it Floyd.
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#470032 - 04/28/18 05:11 PM
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floyd,
This is very, very powerful! I'm glad you pulled it out, dusted it off and unleashed BIAB. I love that ending and the ending chord. It really left me hanging in the air thinking about all you'd sung. As I'm sitting here typing this, the song and its images are still bright in my mind.
I thought it was excellent the way that you used the chorus as a kind of parallel narrative. For me, the verses were a glimpse into the mind, heart and soul of the unpopular hero and the choruses (complete with their own independent development) were a glimpse of the 'other side of the coin'. 'Heartbreaking' is a word that just sprang into my head. Your story-telling and commentary unfolded like a movie for me. First person narrative was an ideal choice of perspective.
Everything about this sits perfectly in my headphones. The acoustic guitar beginning was terrific and its sound was first class. Then as the rest of the band started joining in and building a wall of sound with musical precision and intent, I found myself getting pulled into the music and the lyrics more as a participant than a listener. I think that's why the starkness of the ending was so powerful for me. It was like I was there, a part of the history.
This song resonated with me in so many ways!
All the best,
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#470083 - 04/29/18 03:46 AM
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Re: Another "Vietnam Song"
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Man, what a song! On my second listen as I type this.
Just a tremendous write! And the fact you did it when you were only 20 ... pretty deep stuff.
Love the production on this too, the way you start with just the acoustic and then slowly build intensity by adding in the additional instruments with the drums not coming in until the last chorus, and then that last hanging chord ....
I'm glad you decided to post this, it's an song that should be heard.
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#470085 - 04/29/18 04:41 AM
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FJ, You ACED IT. In Australia we has a "hit single" in about 84 which essayed some of the things you covered. We were at a stage where we could talk about Vietnam by then - ignore the evil politics of the war and focus on the human story. If you get a chance to look up I Was Only 19 (a walk in the light green) by Redgum you may like it. Is has a different impact to your song but different is always good. Your song has incredible impact and is sung/performed perfectly for the topic, time and purpose. Well done. I Was only 19 - Redgum Oh, it was a hit again a couple of years ago - but as a cover by a hip hop band - odd but that's OK. A mate & I wrote our own - but from the perspective of observing the evacuation... It doesn't have the impact of yours and, as is usual for me, has too many words and not enough emotion - YOU get the balance right. Solong Shuffle - Pygmy Beat
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#470086 - 04/29/18 04:50 AM
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Yes, the final chord, because it ends like Vietnam, just going on, the final chord still there when it 's only a phantom. I still remember the face of the guy who said, they killed my brother, so I'm going over there.
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#470092 - 04/29/18 05:21 AM
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floyd, The sound you get is always crisp, clean and well balanced. Good choice of instruments and you skillfully added them as the build progressed. The write was advanced considering your age at the time. It shows that you were not immune to the collective feeling at the time of loss of innocence. Your chorus brings that across with some stark images. I was in my teens and twenties at that time and looking back I can say with certainty that the war affected every single person that I knew in one way or another. You have left no doubt that it affected you. Beautifully done, Tom
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#470112 - 04/29/18 08:47 AM
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I never dreamed I would post this song.
I've never even considered recording it.
This is a snapshot of a specific time in our history.
And the reactions and feelings from certain segments of America.
It tells the story of a "conflicted" veteran. Per our previous PM conversation I'll echo all other comments. One gains many new perspectives when one experiences the true face of war, the brutality of it all and coming to grips of what's expected of you when faced with the challenging circumstances every day. One can't unsee any of the images or reconcile many of the experiences at such a young age. But, no complaints here....that's life. Carry on.....back to topic.
Edited by chulaivet1966 (04/29/18 08:48 AM)
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#470160 - 04/29/18 01:13 PM
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eddie - means a lot that you accept and like this... thanks... Floyd,
A tremendous song... Outstanding and heavy write for a twenty year old. Very cool to hear you perform this now - I love the way it sounds like you are looking back.
I also love the mix and the way the rhythm guitars bubble underneath the track.
Headed back for my third listen...
Bob Thanks, Bob. I had a tendency to write a number of "heavy" things in those days. Listening to too much Prine...
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#470203 - 04/29/18 03:39 PM
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Floyd,
Very powerful write and great production.Love the ending.
Bringing this from your back pages seems very appropriate to me... just watched the Ken Burns doc- this song would fit there and lose nothing to all the anthems of the day.
Robert
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#470207 - 04/29/18 03:56 PM
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floyd Excellent writing from a 20 year old (or anyone else for that matter). Great arrangement to go with the lyrics. Going back for another listen. Peter p.s along with the song Ray mentioned another Australian song referencing this issue was Khe Sanh by Cold Chisel. Khe Sanh
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#470246 - 04/29/18 06:48 PM
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Love this song Floyd. Was a very different time back then. Excellent vocal and back track. Your lyrics were powerful. As always you put together a polished professional level song. Thanks for sharing...
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#470294 - 04/30/18 06:35 AM
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Spot on Floyd that's the way you do it.
Did you use realtracks or loops or are you playing the guitar ?.
I would love to hear the original even if recording standards were not as advanced (a wee tape recording maybe) WHY..?, I love all that stuff, vinyl,tape, my passion. Thanks, beatmaster. The tracks are all RealTracks. No loops, no additional guitars (though I use both on occasion). IF I have a tape of this it would be 40 years old - and is buried in a box somewhere. I have a certain number of old lyrics that continue to get copied over to my latest computer (though I don't change that often, either). That is where I found this lyric to re-visit... Great song about a very sad time in our history. I lost seven friends in that war.
As usual your mix, vocals and lyrics are top notch. Thanks for listening, Mario. Sorry for your loss...
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#470370 - 04/30/18 01:16 PM
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No words. In all the best ways. I can't even imagine aside from glimpses like this. Thanks for giving some insight.
And..
Thank you to everyone who has served. I NEVER take that lightly.
This song will haunt me for a bit. Caaron - Thanks for that. Indeed, we should all thank those who served...
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#470529 - 05/01/18 07:20 AM
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Well, for me, I get it. Three years in Viet Nam back to back.
Thanks for posting this song. Even all these years later, a song like this brings back the reality of that time and place.
Songwriting and music is an effective time machine.
Some really unpleasant stuff happens in any war but the Viet Nam war still rages on in the minds of quite a few of us who are still alive to remember.
There are no winners in war, only survivors.
Thanks again,
Billy
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