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Ok. I saw Focusrite 18i8. Would that be ok or overkill?


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Ok. I saw Focusrite 18i8. Would that be ok or overkill?


Depends on your needs. If for example, you are using it to record yourself with a guitar then the 8i8 would be overkill. If you were recording an orchestra then it might not be enough.

Look at what your needs are then add a bit that should be plenty. I’d rather have a little more than not enough (funny that, it applies to all things). But, don’t spend a heap more than you need to.

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I have one. It’s a solid unit. One thing it will do that the lesser models don’t is serve as a stand-alone mixer (I. E. not connected to your computer).

Keep in mind the hardware (like microphone preamps) is the same quality in all their Scarlett line. The difference is the number of inputs and outputs, and the types of inputs and outputs (for example, digital).


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Yes, evaluate how many inputs you may need at any given time.

If you do plan to use all 8 inputs, something to note;
The 4 inputs on the front have obvious physical volume controls.
The 4 on the back do not.

Just one of the variations with this unit.
So for using it as a live mixer (as Matt suggested) it would be a 4 channel mixer effectively.

One cool thing a lot of users like is that the dial lights up different colors to show signal level.
But that's pretty much what you get for meters.
I was considering this unit (needed 8 inputs) but decided that having the dials available for all 8 inputs on the front panel was a huge plus.
Then also having a more conventional graph display of all 8 inputs (as opposed to the 4 front dials lighting up and having to launch software to get at the other 4 on the back) made it much better for actual recording use, and now all 8 tracks can be used in a live mixer situation if needed.
This made me take the plunge for the next unit up.
So I went 18i20.

Of course it's your call. I don't know if you'd ever need the extra stuff.
I did.







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I ordered the 18 i 8. That’s probably more than I will ever need unless I have a stunning burst of talent which I’m not expecting! I could’ve probably got away with the six but it’s only a few dollars more has Clint Eastwood said.

One thing I didn’t like about the eight or the six was that it has to have a separate power supply which is just another wire for me to get tangled in but there must be a reason for that. Probably the USB ports don’t put out enough juice.

I appreciate all the information about this because there’s so many out there and you just don’t know what is what.

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That Focusrite box came today. I hooked it up I can hear videos good on it. But for some reason nothing in real band plays. I have that set on MME and I selected the focus right drivers which I hope is right. The view meters show sound being played both from my oxygen keyboard and also from tapping on the keys on real bad. But I don’t hear anything. Any idea what’s wrong?

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Remind us, which Focusrite Scarlett model do you have?
EDIT 18i8

It may be a matter of opening the mixer and setting the outputs.

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I tried that and it didn’t work. I uninstalled the software that came with the FocusRite item. Then I tried it again and everything worked.

However after I went to Kontact syn, real band crashed.

So this computer must be screwed up or something.


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How about this for an explanation?

When you get five or six tracks you have a lot of information going through the machine. When you then add a high-grade synthesizer like Kontact, you’re adding the straw that breaks the camels back.

I know that’s not a real technical explanation but it sounds plausible right?


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Michael, Can I suggest That you go to your profile and add your details such as the PC or whatever you are using, the amount of memory, cpu type and speed, the software, sound card. See how Matt has it all added. As do quite a number of other forum users. This makes helping you with your issues a lot easier.

It could be your pc is a little under powered or maybe the buffers might need setting but without all the details it makes it hard to help.

As I said on another of your posts something such as Groove3 will show you a lot of the answers.

Just a thought.

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Tony:

Done. All added.

Thanks.

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How old is the AMD processor. It might be a little under powered for what you’re trying to do. I don’t really know AMD processors (There May be a lot more expertise on the forums) but that is where I’d start looking. Also the USB ports are they USB 2 or better.

Checkout https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+II+X4+925&id=366

Maybe increasing buffer sizes on the ASIO driver might help.

Tony

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Hi Michael,

You mention Realband crashing. Does BIAB work with the Focusrite?

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Hi Michael, the specs for Kontakt Player https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/samplers/kontakt-6-player/specifications/

I think your machine is not quite there.

I think the USB audio interface you have requires at least USB 2.

Just some thoughts

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BIAB worked ik with the focusrite. But it wasn’t much of a workout. I just typed a couple chords in to see what would happen but it worked.


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Based on what’s been said, I guess I should return the Focusrite thing while I still can until I get a new computer. I don’t know what else to do at this point.


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You mentioned earlier you were using MME with the Focusrite.
This is not recommended.
Use the Focusrite USB ASIO drivers.
Also the Phenom II processors were made between 2008 and 2012, making them a little long in the tooth.

I had a Phenom II system until the end of last year, the system it was in also had dated USB connections from the same era and could not keep up with the needs of the Focusrite 18i20.
The older system could handle the 2i2 just fine, but the 18i20 was enough to make it show its weaknesses

I built a newer Ryzen system using the ASUS ROG platform and all my problems went away. Plus I have a faster machine with lots more USB options now.

By using the existing case and hard drives the new machine was about $500 including W10 license.
FWIW in my mind I had good experiences with Focurite on other machines, and decided to keep the interface and upgrade the machine.


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Wonder if you would mind sending me the specs of your machine and where you got the parts if you built it yourself. I was going to build another machine anyway and this is as good a time as any.

The other thing I was thinking was that all the time I’ve been testing the crashing I’ve been using an older file. Maybe a month old file.

The reason I mention it is is that that fiile was made on the old creative card which never worked for beans.

I wonder whether a file could have a corruption caused by an older card and it throws everything wacky. Maybe I have to try it with a brand new file? I don’t know if that matters with midi. But the file In question had band in the box, audio and midi all in it. So maybe there was a problem with that file? Who knows?


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for what its worth i have an AMD Phenom x4 but its 3.4 g speed and so far no problems i have 8 gb of RAM and a Creative Soundblaster ZS Audigy 2

i'm running a uphoria umc204hd interface for recording and monitoring using asio but mix on the Soundblaster with WAS drivers.

so far my system seems to handle most things but does occasionallly crash when i'm loading vsts using jbridge in the mixer

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Rharv is correct, use the ASIO driver for your Focusrite.

The other sound card would not have caused any corruption to your song file.


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