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..., do you all believe 20,000+ views on this topic? crazy I'm wondering where that ranks in the records for the # of views in the "off topic forum"?
Possibly in second, to the removed thread that had all the jokes from copyrighted sources.


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interesting program. it just takes a lot of time to learn just how to use it. Very confusing interface.

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Unfortunately, that cannot be utilized with the program on this site. Very big minus. Second, isn’t you who needs complex chords other than jazz music? Rock and pop is simple if you want to do it. As for the melody so Scaler what makes the melody so I don't think it's a song melody. The program on this page may well create a melody that can be sung.

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Unfortunately, that cannot be utilized with the program on this site. Very big minus.


A long time effort has gone into attempting to remedying this point. And some limited progress has been made. Particularly using Reaper to share chord charts between Scaler and BIAB-VST via the midi markers which both utilize. But, yes, much more needs to be done.

Here is the Manual Method for moving chord charts from Scaler to BIAB.




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Thanks Dan, very good explaination, but to what end? I'm not sure why anyone would want to do this... Scaler2.5 and BIAB are both excellent tools for generating MIDI and Audio files, which are part of a balanced diet for my hungry DAW...
edit; BTW thanks again for link to the excellent wrapper, https://www.tone2.com/nanohost.html another excellent tool.

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I want to share chord charts across the two programs. Why? Because, simply put, Scaler is a better tool for creating interesting chord charts and BIAB is a better tool for creating accompaniments to play the chord charts.

What I showed above is the current best "manual" workflow, short of just retyping them over again. Granted, it is not an attractive workflow either way.

There is another workflow which moves the chord chart from Scaler to Reaper to BIAB-VST. But that is not perfect either.

But thanks for asking. grin


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Unfortunately, that cannot be utilized with the program on this site. Very big minus.


A long time effort has gone into attempting to remedying this point. And some limited progress has been made. Particularly using Reaper to share chord charts between Scaler and BIAB-VST via the midi markers which both utilize. But, yes, much more needs to be done.

Here is the Manual Method for moving chord charts from Scaler to BIAB.




Thanks for the tip. I still can’t use Scaler so much that I would play those midi keyboards like one in a video on youtube. So I can't save it. Help would be appreciated.

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I knew it now and finally. Nothing but Scaler 2 to take advantage of and learn more. laugh cool

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Not sure exactly what you are requesting, however, best to send you to the very friendly Scaler 2 forum for questions and answers.

https://forum.scalerplugin.com/


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(Cool, a thread for me to use for this...)

I just bought Scaler 2.5 and am trying to figure out what to do with it. This is far from obvious! I would just like to ask:

Has anyone here actually used Scaler together with BIAB to create a song? If so, is it posted somewhere with an explanation of the connection? I'm thinking of something like, "The first verse is how I originally wrote it, the second verse uses a progression Scaler generated based on the first."


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Originally Posted By: Mark Hayes
(Cool, a thread for me to use for this...) Has anyone here actually used Scaler together with BIAB to create a song?


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This thread will be 2 years old next month. With 28,000 views it is the second most viewed thread on this site. Which is a testimony to my personal (nagging) persistance grin , the forums interest and the synergy between Scaler and BIAB.

Over that time I have uploaded a couple songs I did with Scaler-BIAB-Reaper. One example:
https://soundcloud.com/dan-hoch-784636941/perseverance

I have also made a number of videos using Scaler and BIAB, however, I don't leave these on the web. But there are lots and lots of pro videos of Scaler and even some specifically for Scaler and BIAB. Look in this tread for some links.

I might suggest you start a separate thread for what peaks you specific interests with using Scaler and BIAB. Keep in mind there is an excellent user forum for Scaler where you will recognize a number of the folks from here. Actually, this is where our little chinese friend hangs his hat.


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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Over that time I have uploaded a couple songs I did with Scaler-BIAB-Reaper. One example:
https://soundcloud.com/dan-hoch-784636941/perseverance

Thanks! Can you tell me something about where Scaler came in? Did it make suggestions to spiff up a simple progression, did you use those "performance" things where you play somebody's chords by playing a scale, did it generate "modulation pathways" for you?

Oh, and did you still have a human soul after collaborating with Scaler? =8^)

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Scaler comes in at the mark shown. Yes, this is one of those "performance " things which play over my chords.

Scaler, like BIAB, creates midi. What scaler does different is it permits chord voicings to be explicitly set and adjusted based on how you want to hear or play the chords. Second, Scaler identifies the harmonic series of chords for any specific scale or mode. With this you can hear and select the next chord in your sequence from within the selected scale.

Scale permits me to visually identify, examine and hear my chord progressions as I compose "on the fly". It has permitted me to voice the chord on the keyboard as I play and capture the exact midi notes I want to hear. This was a game changer for me and has become an integral part of my music making. Fact is, Scaler has allowed me to get more of me into my music.

Yes, Scaler does make suggestions for chord sequences and does generate modulation pathways, and it does construct performance sets and much more. So I do understand your point about losing one's soul to software which writes the music for you. Heck, we are in a BIAB forum so we all understand that reality. cry I can only say, we all do the best we can with the tools and talent at our disposal. grin

Visit the Scaler forum. Join in the chats and review the videos. You say you already bought the software, so you should see what others are doing.








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Scaler comes in at the mark shown. Yes, this is one of those "performance " things which play over my chords.

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. There are many, many words and videos explaining what Scaler can do, I'm wondering what I can do with it.

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I do understand your point about losing one's soul to software which writes the music for you.

OK, I was just kidding about losing your soul.

There are certainly concerns to be had about the effects of this stuff on creativity, but I don't go in for the idea that there's some mystical force inside us that we must protect and nurture by only getting ideas from organic sources.

I'm actually a big fan of automation and algorithmic composition as sources of musical material, and have no qualms about that. I even use pitch recognition on raw noise to generate MIDI output that you may or may not want to call music; I generate some output, delete all the obvious crap, then work what's left into something that sounds good to me.

Here's one "workflow" that might horrify some:

1) Pick an algorithm, set some parameters, and let it generate an hour of music with 8 parts.
2) Listen for parts that sound good and discard the rest, yielding, say, 5 minutes of music in 4 parts.
3) Voice, arrange, edit.

(Of course, an hour of 8 monkeys jumping around on a rectangle of 4 pianos would probably also provide interesting material, and now I'm wondering if anyone has ever made music out of animals "playing" instruments like that. I absolutely guarantee if you take that hour-long recording, you will find interesting sections, structured by the physical ratios of their bodies and behaviors. Anyway!)

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Visit the Scaler forum. Join in the chats and review the videos. You say you already bought the software, so you should see what others are doing.

Already there, thanks. The occasional comments about BIAB are interesting and strangely familiar.

PS – Computer music, by the program Aural and me:

https://soundcloud.com/mark_hayes/cellular-automata

Aural gave me a pure, abstract MIDI, generated using algorithms I know nothing about, and I messed with it in Logic. It's a little long (10 minutes), but I tried to keep it interesting.

Scaler here I come.

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On Sale again... Oh, and while I am here, just a heads up, version 2.8 due out any day.

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I have enjoyed playing around with version 2.5, but for me so far, it's more of a toy than a tool... but I realize that's on me.


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OK, someone has to do it...

Scaler 2.7 drops November 3rd.

It’s a mammoth update with some really nice new features.

Scaler 2.7 is set for release with the following changes:

Changelog 2.7.0

• New features

Add Live Sync ability to keep other Scaler instances synchronised in realtime.
Add new modes for Parallel Harmony to generate progressions by thirds, fourths, and fifths.
Add Auto Play in browser (Section A) to enable quick preview of chord sets.
Add Multi Voice Output (Multi Midi Out) option to split each note of chords onto separate channels.
Add Global UI Velocity controls to change the strength of MIDI notes played through the interface.
Add ability to consolidate chords from multiple patterns into a single chord set file.
• New Content

Sequence ‘Moods’.
80s, Classical, HipHop, LoFi Chord Sets.
Fixed Bass Chord Sets (Triad and Extended).
Orchestral Divisi Chord Sets (Intended to work with Multi Midi Out).
Experimental Phrases
Experimental Performances
Internal Orchestral Bass Instrument
Internal LoFi Instrument
• Improvements

Make undo/redo buttons always visible in Section C.
Clear Undo/Redo history when clearing state or when importing a state file.
Fix Daw-Sync timing causing playback to start early in Cubase.
Fix Play-Quantize offset calculation.
Remember the last selected scale on circle of fifths in the Voicing Editor.


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I may end this tread with this new features video. Scaler has now advanced to such a high level that for those of you who have not jumped on board, it may just be too late. crazy



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The new vid is mostly impressive but the low fi crackle is pretty crappy.
Not a tool I'd delve into but impressive stuff....oh, Avant Gard as a preset must be an oxymoron. Perhaps avant gare?


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The new vid is mostly impressive but the low fi crackle is pretty crappy.
Not a tool I'd delve into but impressive stuff....oh, Avant Gard as a preset must be an oxymoron. Perhaps avant gare?

L'avant gare? Before the train station? Interesting name for a preset. No idea what it would sound like, other than crowd noises.

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