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#617305 - 09/30/20 02:36 PM [User Showcase] Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar)
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Back Burner Man

In 1967 I (Bud) listened to Cream's Disraeli Gears when it hit the stores - it quickly steered me from my more psychedelia playlist!  I was particularly struck by Outside Woman Blues (one of my early entries into blues rock). The notion of a man keeping an "outside woman” has shown up several times over the years in blues songs. 

So Janice and I thought it was high time for the woman to have her say smile resulting in this “response” song. 

Channeling Cream is obviously out of the question! But we do hope to have established a few hints. Jack Bruce often had a bit of an over driven bass sound so at Peter’s suggestion we processed the bass RT with some overdrive, tape sat and vintage compression.  Peter also altered some of the bass notes to better fit the progression (that includes the infamous “Hendrix chord”).

Finally (yea) and FWIW the mix and mastering is influenced by the Disraeli Gears sound, i.e., heavy snare, the processed bass, the guitar FX, a bit more compression throughout, etc. 

A big thanks to PG Music and Peter.

Comments are welcomed and we appreciate your time. Be safe.

Janice: Arrangement, melody, lead vocal/harmony and counter point lead/harmony

Peter: All guitar tracks - solos, fills, turnarounds and rhythm

Bud: Lyric, arrangement, SC photo and the tech stuff.

Bass: RT 572 Electric Blues BB

Drums: RD BluesRockSlowEv^4-a:Snare, b:Snare, HiHat

Drums (tag): Nashville 8ths and added cymbal swell sample

Snare double: Logic Pro X Drummer

Track effects: Nectar 2, Waves CLA Vocals, Waves CLA Drums, Neutron 3 and Waves Bass Rider

Mastering: Logic Pro X EQ > Ozone 9 Dynamics > Ozone 9 Imager > Ozone 9 Maximizer > Izotope Tonal Balance 2 > Izotope Loudness Meter

Equipment: Rodes NT1 mic and Scarlett 212 interface

Edit (10/02/2020): From Peter: Just a quick note on the guitar - used a Line 6 Variax -(the Les Paul was in the other room and it was all hooked up to the Helix). Also a Line 6 Helix amp simulator, chose a Marshall Amp - rolled off the treble on the guitar - turned up the amp - instant Woman Tone - as per Clapton's instructions on the Goodbye Cream video, played one note - instantly sounded like Strange Brew (Dave almost impossible not to sound like it!) and took it from there.

DAW: Logic Pro X

Arranged in BiaB via multiple SGU movement to and from Australia. smile

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#617323 - 09/30/20 04:56 PM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Child, you have such a "Heat of the Night" twinge in your voice!

Yeah, maybe Cream should have had a lady singer on some of their songs.

This is just so well put together and period correct sounding!

Awesome job folks. Thanks for posting...

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#617338 - 09/30/20 06:41 PM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Bawb]
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Originally Posted By: Bawb
Child, you have such a "Heat of the Night" twinge in your voice!

Yeah, maybe Cream should have had a lady singer on some of their songs.

This is just so well put together and period correct sounding!

Awesome job folks. Thanks for posting...


Thanks! Love that vocal description smile

And we’re glad you felt that it reflected the period.

It was fun!

J&B

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#617350 - 10/01/20 12:27 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Wow, and I mean WOW.
The guitars tones are some strange brew.
The minimalist band allows everything to BE.
The lyrics ... cool and very effective.
melody ACE!.
Vocals.. as bawb said they make the case for Cream having had a woman's voice as counterpoint to Eric N Jack's earnest efforts.
Peter F ...exemplary mate.
With only Eric left it's great to hear the sound and the drive of such an influential band in new music.
EXCELLENT!


Edited by rayc (10/01/20 12:28 AM)
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#617369 - 10/01/20 04:40 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: rayc]
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Originally Posted By: rayc
Wow, and I mean WOW.
The guitars tones are some strange brew.
The minimalist band allows everything to BE.
The lyrics ... cool and very effective.
melody ACE!.
Vocals.. as bawb said they make the case for Cream having had a woman's voice as counterpoint to Eric N Jack's earnest efforts.
Peter F ...exemplary mate.
With only Eric left it's great to hear the sound and the drive of such an influential band in new music.
EXCELLENT!


Janice read this and had one word immediately ... AWESOME! Bud was smiling as soon as he read “strange brew.” Ray, your knowledge of rock offered us a huge sense of validation regarding our production objectives. Needless to say we much appreciate your time to listen and offer such a supportive review.

Thank you!

J&B

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#617405 - 10/01/20 08:01 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Hello Janice & Bud,

Composition very well done as usual. The guitar solo goes very well and Janice's voice still beautiful. I notice that you use the same mixing tools as me Ozone 9 and its derivatives. Nice composition.

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#617406 - 10/01/20 08:06 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Let's see: Jack Bruce, Eric Clapton, Ginger Baker and Janice Merritt. Yep, I think that would have worked. But, on the other hand, Janice, Bud & Peter seems to be working pretty danged good, too! Loved the tone on Peter's guitar ... true to the times.

With Janice lighting up the mic, Bud slinging words around until they fit as a perfect lyric ... along with some serious knob twisting, and Peter equally the Eric Clapton sound ... what more could you ask for?

As I listened, I checked a couple of times to see if my pants were bell bottoms, my hair was long and frizzy, and if the colors in my shirt would have made Ray Charles squint. Well, they weren't, but they easily could have been!

That was as thought it came from a time capsule. Excellent! I'd buy another ticket for that trip! ok, I'll get to the point - I like it a lot!

Best to all three of you. Please be safe ...

Alan
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#617418 - 10/01/20 10:14 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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PB&J,

Some very Creamy guitar! Great job on that Peter...rhythm, fills and solo... Nice!

Nice choice for Drums (though the drums fills could have been a bit "showy" at times). The Bass is nice and Punchy!

A good Blues write. Classic sounding.

The Usual Superb Vocal from The Star. Damn! you are good!

Mix is SUPERB. Everything has the perfect space. And then tightly knot.

Excellent.

Creamy.

fj

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#617424 - 10/01/20 11:20 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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J&B and Peter,
WOW!! That`s my kind of throwback music- spinetingling from the opening guitar riff.
Great to hear Janice sounding so right on this and the guitar throughout is stellar... as is the production.
The only thing I could wish for( and how would you find it?)is more Ginger Baker brilliance on the drums.
This is a marvellous surprise.

Robert

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#617436 - 10/01/20 12:49 PM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Derochette]
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Originally Posted By: Dero13
Hello Janice & Bud,

Composition very well done as usual. The guitar solo goes very well and Janice's voice still beautiful. I notice that you use the same mixing tools as me Ozone 9 and its derivatives. Nice composition.

Kindly regard
Dero13
alias JaniJackFlash


Thanks! And yes Izotope has some great products. We also like the Waves CLA suite and the Waves multiband compressor.

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#617443 - 10/01/20 02:22 PM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Very cool. Peter nailed Eric’s tone and phrasing. Needless to say very difficult without a full stack turned to 11. Loved this tune . Very cool lyric and Janices vocal was perfection. Loved your production on this Bud 10’s all around

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#617452 - 10/01/20 05:48 PM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Al-David]
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Originally Posted By: Al-David
Let's see: Jack Bruce, Eric Clapton, Ginger Baker and Janice Merritt. Yep, I think that would have worked. But, on the other hand, Janice, Bud & Peter seems to be working pretty danged good, too! Loved the tone on Peter's guitar ... true to the times.

With Janice lighting up the mic, Bud slinging words around until they fit as a perfect lyric ... along with some serious knob twisting, and Peter equally the Eric Clapton sound ... what more could you ask for?

As I listened, I checked a couple of times to see if my pants were bell bottoms, my hair was long and frizzy, and if the colors in my shirt would have made Ray Charles squint. Well, they weren't, but they easily could have been!

That was as thought it came from a time capsule. Excellent! I'd buy another ticket for that trip! ok, I'll get to the point - I like it a lot!

Best to all three of you. Please be safe ...

Alan


Even if that had not been about the three of us it would’ve brought a smile to our faces.

Thanks for helping us feel we did the era a bit of justice.

Hey in 1967 my pants were bell bottoms, my hair was long and I had some awful shirts! smile

Thanks for every word of that review. They are appreciated!

Take care,

J&B

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#617472 - 10/02/20 01:44 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Hi Janice, Bud and Peter.
It's wonderful to hear what you can do with a traditional blues structure. The arrangements are terrific, the guitars are mesmerizing and Janice's voice is outstanding !
Thanks for making blues staying alive. Christian


Edited by Chris37 (10/02/20 02:09 AM)

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#617474 - 10/02/20 01:58 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Man, I thought you guys were going to do Strange Brew at first, that guitar intro is pretty similar wink

I was a huge Cream fan back in the day, wore the grooves off those records. Still am actually.

Guys, this is FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!

Peter is channeling his inner E.C., both in terms of style and tone, just perfect.

And Janice!!! I don't think I've ever heard her sound better. Just as good as it gets, fabulous.

Excellent write and mix, Bud.

You guys are the best in my book, love everything you do.

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#617480 - 10/02/20 02:58 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Another great collaboration. Stellar write, recording, arrangement, production and performance. The vocals and guitars are spot on. Everything about this is top notch. You've 'channeled' the Cream to the top of the butter churn this time. Enjoyed my listen.
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#617491 - 10/02/20 04:24 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Some feedback from someone who has no reference point to the musical influences that folks are bringing up...love the whole thing! Wonderful slow-rolling, heavy-syrup flow, beautiful vocal, esp liked the unison guitar soloing..great work!!

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#617501 - 10/02/20 05:36 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: floyd jane]
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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
PB&J,

Some very Creamy guitar! Great job on that Peter...rhythm, fills and solo... Nice!

Nice choice for Drums (though the drums fills could have been a bit "showy" at times). The Bass is nice and Punchy!

A good Blues write. Classic sounding.

The Usual Superb Vocal from The Star. Damn! you are good!

Mix is SUPERB. Everything has the perfect space. And then tightly knot.

Excellent.

Creamy.

fj



Thanks! And especially for “classic sounding” as that was the goal.

Janice and, I’m sure, Peter are most appreciative of your remarks on their
performances.

Interestingly Baker’s playing was relatively straight forward on Outside Woman ... but hugely nuanced with a great outro. No surprise smile

And another thanks for mentioning the mix - only a few tracks but time consuming. We are very pleased you felt it worked.

J&B

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#617510 - 10/02/20 06:48 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Fantastic, Folks! Truly.

Janice, you have a style that's all your own and it's a joy to hear you bring it. Outstanding. And those backup singers - well, they're quite good too:)

Peter, as much as I dig RT's there just isn't any substitute for tasty tracks composed for the song and performed by a talented musician such as yourself. Take a bow.

Bud, the mixing and mastering are magnifique. So much so, that I didn't really even think about it until after I listened. Top shelf. And once again, I appreciate you sharing your work flow.
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#617534 - 10/02/20 08:50 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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So cool,
Well done all the way around.
Another great collaboration.
Excellent vocals as usual, guitar is fantastic.
Nicely glued together.
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#617554 - 10/02/20 11:02 AM [User Showcase] Re: Back Burner Man (feat. PeterF on guitar) [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Hi J&B and Peter great work I listen to a lot of cream in my day Janice well done!! love the backing vocals great job peter on guitars brought back memories thanks for sharing Eric
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