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Aces and Eights #619529 10/18/20 07:26 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire vicarn OP Expert
OP vicarn Expert Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire	Another of my story songs. First did this with help from my pal Mike Leblanc back in 2016 with a swing feel but decided recently to change the style and much of the lyric. Vic https://soundcloud.com/vic-arnold/aces-and-eights-1 Aces And Eights or Dead Man's Hand vs2 © 2013 Vic Arnold with suggestions from Mike Leblanc V1 In the wild town of Deadwood, Jack had lost his pride. Playing at the tables ... with bad luck on his side. Bill took all his money and they all laughed in the saloon Gave him back a couple of dollars. Said ... "Jack. Don't you come back too soon" V2 Jack returned the next night ... Put aside his fear With a head full of vengeance and a belly full of beer The cards were on the table. The writing on the wall. Bill never knew what hit him ... when Jack came round to call Ch.1 Aces and eights. Called the dead man's hand Ever since that night down at Nuttal and Mann's Was it just fate or was it something more when Bill sat at the table with his back toward the door V3 They say Jack stepped up from behind, pulled out his 44 "Take that" he cried, a shot rang out and Bill slumped to the floor Now there lay Wild Bill Hickok. In a spreading pool of blood still holding in his fingers his last hand of five card stud Inst. V4 When later, Jack's arrested, found guilty of the offense He showed no remorse, said he'd do it all again So they swung him from the gallows and now he's lying still And the cards no longer shuffle for the legend of Wild Bill Ch2. Aces and eights. It's called the dead man's hand Ever since that night down at Nuttal and Mann's Was it just fate or was the whole thing planned Jack got his glory ... but he got hanged Ch1. Aces and eights. Called the dead man's hand Ever since that night down at Nuttal and Mann's Was it just fate or was there something more when Bill sat with his back toward the door Bass = 1759, Drums =Northern Rock ballad Guitars 806, 703, 2626 and 804

Re: Aces and Eights vicarn #619532 10/18/20 09:30 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 1,749 Illinois CaptainMoto Expert
CaptainMoto Expert Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 1,749 Illinois	I enjoyed that. I love story songs. Well written, performed and mixed. My only suggestion to make this a viable hit would be find a way to cut it back a minute or two. I enjoyed it but, it's hard to get long songs to stick with today's short attention span audiences. An Old Man Make'n Music https://sites.google.com/view/captainmoto-com/home?authuser=0

Re: Aces and Eights vicarn #619543 10/18/20 11:29 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire vicarn OP Expert
OP vicarn Expert Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire	Hi Captain. Thanks for your comment. Glad you enjoyed it. I realise it's long and hasn't much chance of being a hit but if I cut it down too 3 9r 4 minutes it would lose the story and that story feel. If I speed it up it would sound weird. I am resigned to a non hit here. Having said that; I changed it once so could do it again :-) Vic

Re: Aces and Eights vicarn #619557 10/18/20 04:23 PM User Showcase
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,576 Sydney Australia PeterF Veteran
PeterF Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,576 Sydney Australia	Vic, Good story telling song. Sort of like Dylan's Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts which goes for 9 minutes and is sung pretty fast. I especially liked the chorus. Nicely produced. Peter

Re: Aces and Eights vicarn #619559 10/18/20 05:01 PM User Showcase
Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 1,362 Denmark W Will Josef Expert
Will Josef Expert W Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 1,362 Denmark	Well done! I like this kind of songs which is telling a story. Keep posting, please! Will

Re: Aces and Eights vicarn #619563 10/18/20 06:41 PM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 708 Canberra, Australia Leon1 Journeyman
Leon1 Journeyman Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 708 Canberra, Australia	Hi Vic Very well written and sung. Great band. Like Peter, I picked up a bit of similarity to Dylan's Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts. Much enjoyed my listen. Regards, Leon

Re: Aces and Eights vicarn #619572 10/18/20 08:54 PM User Showcase
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,145 Maryland TuneMonger Veteran
TuneMonger Veteran Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,145 Maryland	Good old western card tale sung well, liked it a lot, a bit long but still good. Windows 10, Intel Core I5 10400, 16 gig ram, Scarlett 6i6, Komplete keyboard, Sony Acid Music Studio 11, BIAB 2020 UltraPlus Pak

Re: Aces and Eights PeterF #619586 10/19/20 01:46 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire vicarn OP Expert
OP vicarn Expert Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire	Thanks for your input, Peter. Never heard that song before. Wow! Nine minutes! Done at my song's speed that could work out to about 18 minutes. Another three like that would make a CD. I suppose there is a similarity being that they are both bar room songs. I see you are in Sidney. A guitarist pal of mine called John Wheals moved over there in the seventies. We lost touch. I don't suppose you ever bumped into him? Vic

Re: Aces and Eights Will Josef #619587 10/19/20 01:52 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire vicarn OP Expert
OP vicarn Expert Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire	I will, Will. Thank you for your comment. Vic

Re: Aces and Eights vicarn #619598 10/19/20 04:38 AM User Showcase
Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 11,831 Florida floyd jane Veteran
floyd jane Veteran Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 11,831 Florida	Vic, Good BAND, good vocal, good mix. A bit long, seems "slow" at times. I think you could take out some space. The chorus is nice. fj 150+ Songs produced using BIAB RealTracks And 50 more... and some more...

Re: Aces and Eights TuneMonger #619609 10/19/20 06:18 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 3,357 Robertkc Veteran
Robertkc Veteran Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 3,357	Originally Posted By: TuneMonger Good old western card tale sung well, liked it a lot, a bit long but still good. I agree with that Vicarn; though I think the length would be less commented on if you were to introduce more dynamic changes in the arrangement - not much needed, maybe a harmony on choruses,bringing the intensity up or down through instrument choices. I like story songs, so you have my attention with this style of songwriting. Robert

Re: Aces and Eights vicarn #619670 10/19/20 07:59 PM User Showcase
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,576 Sydney Australia PeterF Veteran
PeterF Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,576 Sydney Australia	Originally Posted By: vicarn Thanks for your input, Peter. Never heard that song before. Wow! Nine minutes! Done at my song's speed that could work out to about 18 minutes. Another three like that would make a CD. I suppose there is a similarity being that they are both bar room songs. I see you are in Sidney. A guitarist pal of mine called John Wheals moved over there in the seventies. We lost touch. I don't suppose you ever bumped into him? Vic Vic Can't say I have. Peter

Re: Aces and Eights vicarn #619672 10/19/20 09:10 PM User Showcase
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 7,560 Originally Missouri ... Now Al... Al-David Veteran
Al-David Veteran Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 7,560 Originally Missouri ... Now Al...	Hi Vic ... A really good story song. They sometimes take a while to tell. reminded me a bit of Johnny Cash's version of "John Henry". It, too, was pretty long ... 8:24. Radio Disc Jockeys loved it ... they could pee, grab a sandwich & a Coke, and still have time to settle in behind the mic before the song ended! Your voice, to my ears, has a slight tinge of Johnny Cash. And that's not a bad thing! listened all the way through and enjoyed it. Nice work! Wishin' you the best. Be safe ... Alan BIAB 2024 Ultra Plus-all StylePaksWin1116GB DDR5Rhyzen 9745xAT 2035 MicPeavey Nashville 112 AmpIbanez ART120* Acoustic/Electric/Washburn D200S Acoustic*Stromberg Monterey Jazz Guitar Loops: https://aldavidmusic.wixsite.com/bestmusicloops

Re: Aces and Eights Leon1 #619687 10/20/20 01:16 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire vicarn OP Expert
OP vicarn Expert Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire	Thanks Leon. Much appreciate your support. Vic

Re: Aces and Eights TuneMonger #619688 10/20/20 01:18 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire vicarn OP Expert
OP vicarn Expert Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire	Thanks Tunemonger. I am considering the length of it. Vic

Re: Aces and Eights floyd jane #619689 10/20/20 01:21 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire vicarn OP Expert
OP vicarn Expert Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire	Thank you Floyd. There are places I could trim where there's nothing much going on and without damaging the story feel. I have done some cutting already. Vic

Re: Aces and Eights Robertkc #619725 10/20/20 05:52 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire vicarn OP Expert
OP vicarn Expert Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire	Hi Robert. Thanks for the nudge. I'm working on it. Vic

Re: Aces and Eights Al-David #619726 10/20/20 05:55 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire vicarn OP Expert
OP vicarn Expert Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire	Thanks Al. That's a good pitching angle: "Pee, sandwich and coke." Vic

Re: Aces and Eights vicarn #619811 10/20/20 03:22 PM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2018 Posts: 1,869 Mill Valley, California USA D Deej56 Expert
Deej56 Expert D Joined: Apr 2018 Posts: 1,869 Mill Valley, California USA	Vic, I love the write and I love the feel of this song . . . and your vocal matches both. As usual, you do such a great job on the percussion—really carries this song along (with that bass). As others noted, length and pacing could be a commercial challenge, but that’s never been something that worries me, particularly when the story is strong enough to keep the listener engaged, as it is here. Robert has some good suggestions on ways to maybe perk things up along the way—worth exploring maybe. Good stuff, Vic. Enjoyed the tale! Best regards, Deej

Re: Aces and Eights vicarn #619925 10/21/20 08:46 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire vicarn OP Expert
OP vicarn Expert Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,797 Pembrokeshire	Hi Deej. Yeah, to hell with the commercial side. I was listening to Bob Dylan's live version of "Billy" which doesn't seem to vary all the way through. However, I have now shortened it (about 25 secs) by cutting some of the spaces and put a couple more fills in the choruses. It is what it is, as they say. Thanks for having a listen. Vic

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