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I'm sure everyone has heard the news, but Microsoft will be releasing their latest operating system, Windows 11, later this year! We've got a preview version of Windows 11 here, so we thought we'd try out Band-in-a-Box to see how well it works. Watch the video below to see it for yourself!



We're pretty excited for Windows 11 here, how about you?


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Thanks for sharing. Good to hear.


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Thanx for showing us that it works in Win 11 or maybe I should say it works thus far!

I am not excited about Win 11. My computers will not accept Win 11.


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Thanx for showing us that it works in Win 11 or maybe I should say it works thus far!

I am not excited about Win 11. My computers will not accept Win 11.

It's true that a lot of computers people have purchased over the last couple years won't be able to run Windows 11 based on the requirements here posted up by Microsoft, but with how fast technology is advancing these days, I'm sure that it'll only be a matter of time before that changes as machines that meet these requirements will inevitably become the standard on the market.

We're glad that we were able to showcase that BIAB will work on Windows 11 to put people's minds at ease, even if people aren't yet ready or able to make the switch just yet.


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Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11!

This is no good ! haven't they learnt anything from Apple ?
You must screw it up so previous software will no longer work and all software developers on planet Earth will need to work overtime weeks/months on end to get their apps to work on the new OS.
My God, you don't want this getting out to Mac users they will be shocked and wonder what on Earth is going on. Nah, this couldn't be right !
Just imagine if Mac worked like this, both programs would be way ahead in development as PG would not be spending valuable development weeks/months wasted for each new Mac OS update/upgrade trying to get it working because of what dumbass Apple does to stop apps from working anymore.

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Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11!

This is no good ! haven't they learnt anything from Apple ?
You must screw it up so previous software will no longer work and all software developers on planet Earth will need to work overtime weeks/months on end to get their apps to work on the new OS.
My God, you don't want this getting out to Mac users they will be shocked and wonder what on Earth is going on. Nah, this couldn't be right !
Just imagine if Mac worked like this, both programs would be way ahead in development as PG would not be spending valuable development weeks/months wasted for each new Mac OS update/upgrade trying to get it working because of what dumbass Apple does to stop apps from working anymore.


Never mind Pipeline. Windows didn’t totally mess it up. As I understand it you need a newish PC to get Windows 11 to run at all. Who said they couldn’t learn a trick or two.


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How about RealBand?

BIAB looks really great!

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I've watched several of these but not all so maybe there's another opinion. All the ones I watched say yes, they can make it work now on an old PC but since this is an early developer version MS could, and probably will tighten up the TPM requirements in the release version.

This is just FYI as I'm planning on building a new PC anyway because I want the latest hardware security with a new OS to implement it correctly. I know the majority of retired folks are not that concerned about it but I'm still doing some online tax work and I need that. Hacks are going on 24/7, day in day out and will continue as long as it's profitible for them.

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I have followed the link to see compatibility, But it says coming soon ?.


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Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
I've watched several of these but not all so maybe there's another opinion. All the ones I watched say yes, they can make it work now on an old PC but since this is an early developer version MS could, and probably will tighten up the TPM requirements in the release version.

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I'm with you, Bob. I am sticking with Win10. Those "workarounds" to get Win11 installed on a machine that does not support the requirements will eventually bite you (you know where)and this will render your computer useless and you'll have to revert back to Win10.

None of these "hacks" are foolproof.

Good video to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH0bAeEm1Jw


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If it gets to a stage like Win7 where it's no longer supported and you can't afford to upgrade your hardware you may very well be thankful that there are "workarounds". I remember doing this on Mac's to run a newer OS. You don't have to allow them to steer you the way they want you to go, like steering all the cattle in one direction.

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yep...i'm a renegade too. .
also my wife likes me being a renegade bad boy...lmao.
i dont like to be controlled in any way.
thats why i refuse to buy music software products with
those usb dongles and other very intrusive control schemes.
but i DO believe in paying for and supporting what i use.
eg pg products and reaps.

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No issues here. Looks/works exactly the same as on Win 10.


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Don't get me started on those darn dongles, they are great aren't they, go out to do a job and forget your dongle and you're stuffed thank God for Reaper and you get the gig recorded.

You can put 11 on your current hardware with the patch then down the track you might get a good deal on newer hardware then you just replace the motherboard.

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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
Don't get me started on those darn dongles, they are great aren't they, go out to do a job and forget your dongle and you're stuffed thank God for Reaper and you get the gig recorded.

You can put 11 on your current hardware with the patch then down the track you might get a good deal on newer hardware then you just replace the motherboard.


You obviously have not watched the video I posted. Watch starting at 7:05 minutes into the video.

If you get a hand on the dev version, there is no telling what's in the official release that may cause your "hack" not to work.

Also, I am probably not alone being in a financial situation to buy a new MB.

Just food for thought.


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That was the first video in the list I posted.
Don't be disheartened and give up as there is always hope if hack01.0 don't work there will be a hack02.0. Where there is a will there is a way and I would say there are millions of wills out there, so if users want to use Win11 on old hardware they will.
ps. you don't just upgrade Win10 without having a clone to fall back on.

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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
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Band-in-a-Box works great in Windows 11!

This is no good ! haven't they learnt anything from Apple ?
You must screw it up so previous software will no longer work and all software developers on planet Earth will need to work overtime weeks/months on end to get their apps to work on the new OS.
My God, you don't want this getting out to Mac users they will be shocked and wonder what on Earth is going on. Nah, this couldn't be right !
Just imagine if Mac worked like this, both programs would be way ahead in development as PG would not be spending valuable development weeks/months wasted for each new Mac OS update/upgrade trying to get it working because of what dumbass Apple does to stop apps from working anymore.


I think they're saving that for when they drop Windows 13 next year. No Windows 12, just straight on to 13 for good luck. crazy


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How about RealBand?


RealBand seems to be working fine as well, as does the BB plugin. I'm still doing some testing and will create another short video for each at some point soon.


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I have followed the link to see compatibility, But it says coming soon ?.


Windows 11 is currently in Beta/Pre-release, so it is not officially available quite yet.


Originally Posted By: Pipeline
Don't get me started on those darn dongles, they are great aren't they, go out to do a job and forget your dongle and you're stuffed thank God for Reaper and you get the gig recorded.


Thankfully Pro Tools no longer requires a physical iLok and can be authenticated via the cloud - though this requires an active internet connection at all times. I'm out of the loop on other programs though, so I don't know if others like Cubase still require a hardware E-licenser.


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Also, I am probably not alone being in a financial situation to buy a new MB.


That's absolutely true, not to mention that not everyone wants to upgrade - I have a perfectly good 6-core i7 desktop that won't run Windows 11, only because my Asus P9X79-Pro motherboard doesn't have TPM built in. I could upgrade the CPU and Ram to a 12-core Xeon and 64gb ram and it would absolutely fly, but still won't officially run Windows 11 (unless I can find one of the TPM add-on chips for it).


Originally Posted By: Pipeline
Don't be disheartened and give up as there is always hope if hack01.0 don't work there will be a hack02.0. Where there is a will there is a way and I would say there are millions of wills out there, so if users want to use Win11 on old hardware they will.
ps. you don't just upgrade Win10 without having a clone to fall back on.


Both are very good points, though from my technical support standpoint we suggest not upgrading to Windows 11 unless your hardware supports it, as there could be many unforeseen issues that could prevent BIAB and other audio apps from working properly.


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Originally Posted By: Simon - PG Music

I think they're saving that for when they drop Windows 13 next year. No Windows 12, just straight on to 13 for good luck. crazy

Sorry, but FAQ #207 forbids computer humor on this site.


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"from my technical support standpoint we suggest not upgrading to Windows 11 unless your hardware supports it, as there could be many unforeseen issues that could prevent BIAB and other audio apps from working properly."
Then you simply plug the Win10 cloned drive back in same as you would do on Mac when things don't work anymore and companies are taking ages to make the app compatible with this week's new OS.

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Originally Posted By: Simon - PG Music

I think they're saving that for when they drop Windows 13 next year. No Windows 12, just straight on to 13 for good luck. crazy

Sorry, but FAQ #207 forbids computer humor on this site.

There's an exception to that rule, specifically in cases where the post is made by someone who's name starts with S and ends with Imon.


Originally Posted By: Pipeline
"from my technical support standpoint we suggest not upgrading to Windows 11 unless your hardware supports it, as there could be many unforeseen issues that could prevent BIAB and other audio apps from working properly."
Then you simply plug the Win10 cloned drive back in same as you would do on Mac when things don't work anymore and companies are taking ages to make the app compatible with this week's new OS.

Exactly the same as I would do with a Mac, for sure. Most users don't know how to clone their hard drive though - which is definitely something they should learn before installing any OS upgrade!


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Well here's the thing - I have an older PC that works great on Win10 but I'm thinking that it won't run Win11. Thus my last BIAB will probably be in 2025 when microshaft does just that and stops support of 10.
Question for computer guys - if I DL Win11 and it won't work nicely like in Simon's video, can I backtrack to my Win10??
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Originally Posted By: sixchannel
Well here's the thing - I have an older PC that works great on Win10 but I'm thinking that it won't run Win11. Thus my last BIAB will probably be in 2025 when microshaft does just that and stops support of 10.
Question for computer guys - if I DL Win11 and it won't work nicely like in Simon's video, can I backtrack to my Win10??
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Well the current news is Microsoft is easing the restrictions on what will run Windows 11, with the release starting on October 5th and rolled out in waves such as they did with 10. So not all the computers on the planet crash at once if something bad happens.
See above about cloning etc. I would do a little research about how to preserve a WIN 10 installation so you can go back. I would imagine it is possible. May have to be a new clean install, all depends on how you approach it and prepare for it. Just don't forget all the stuff you have installed and have everything ready for re-install etc. as required.

I get the hate for Microsoft with the shaft comment, but this release will be free as well so not too shafty.

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Originally Posted By: sixchannel
Well here's the thing - I have an older PC that works great on Win10 but I'm thinking that it won't run Win11. Thus my last BIAB will probably be in 2025 when microshaft does just that and stops support of 10.
Question for computer guys - if I DL Win11 and it won't work nicely like in Simon's video, can I backtrack to my Win10??
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Yes. DL Macrium Reflex https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

The free version will clone your drive perfectly. I tested it. It is so good I did purchase the next version, however the free version works indefinitely and updates are frequent.

You would also need an external HD and a USB to SATA converter:

https://www.amazon.com/usb-hard-drive-adapter-Electronics/s?k=usb+to+hard+drive+adapter&rh=n%3A172282

Just keep your cloned HD unplugged from your computer and in a safe place.

IMHO everyone should have these items and clone their C drives frequently or at least just prior to making major changes.


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Thank ye kindly.
I feel a bit less twitchy about it now.
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Originally Posted By: sixchannel
Well here's the thing - I have an older PC that works great on Win10 but I'm thinking that it won't run Win11. Thus my last BIAB will probably be in 2025 when microshaft does just that and stops support of 10.
Question for computer guys - if I DL Win11 and it won't work nicely like in Simon's video, can I backtrack to my Win10??
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Don't worry too much - we'll probably continue to support Windows 10 for quite a while. I mean, we supported Windows XP up to 2020 and still support back to Vista...

It's theoretically possible to "Uninstall" Windows 11, provided you install Win11 as an "upgrade" - however, on the computer I was testing BIAB with Win11 on I was not able to get the upgrade to work at all - I ended up having to format the drive (and still had some difficulty after that), so if you have to go the route I went you'd better have a backup!

Easiest way to do it - remove your current hard drive, buy another hard drive/SSD (they're practically pennies now), and install Win11 on that. If you need to go back to 10, just swap the drives.


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Well the current news is Microsoft is easing the restrictions on what will run Windows 11, with the release starting on October 5th and rolled out in waves such as they did with 10. So not all the computers on the planet crash at once if something bad happens.
See above about cloning etc. I would do a little research about how to preserve a WIN 10 installation so you can go back. I would imagine it is possible. May have to be a new clean install, all depends on how you approach it and prepare for it. Just don't forget all the stuff you have installed and have everything ready for re-install etc. as required.

I get the hate for Microsoft with the shaft comment, but this release will be free as well so not too shafty.

Yeah, I admit there's not much we can complain about for a free upgrade.


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It's still a little early and things still need some coaxing to work cleanly, but BiaB is getting closer and closer to running out-of-the-box on Linux. It'll be worth keeping an eye on it as an alternative to going to Win 11.


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Originally Posted By: sixchannel
Well here's the thing - I have an older PC that works great on Win10 but I'm thinking that it won't run Win11. Thus my last BIAB will probably be in 2025 when microshaft does just that and stops support of 10.
Question for computer guys - if I DL Win11 and it won't work nicely like in Simon's video, can I backtrack to my Win10??
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Don't worry too much - we'll probably continue to support Windows 10 for quite a while. I mean, we supported Windows XP up to 2020 - -

That'd be me then. Lol. I was very grateful to PG for not giving up on XP when (I think) 2019 came out and it wouldnt run. Andrew spent ages with me on Team Viewer until he tracked down the bug and an upissue Build was raised to fix it.
My PC has an XP hard drive, a Win7 hard drive with BB2020 on it and a Win10 hard drive with my BB2021 on. I guess one more would make no difference but I'm thinking that maybe upping Win7 to 11 might be an idea instead. What do you think?
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That'd be me then. Lol. I was very grateful to PG for not giving up on XP when (I think) 2019 came out and it wouldnt run. Andrew spent ages with me on Team Viewer until he tracked down the bug and an upissue Build was raised to fix it.
My PC has an XP hard drive, a Win7 hard drive with BB2020 on it and a Win10 hard drive with my BB2021 on. I guess one more would make no difference but I'm thinking that maybe upping Win7 to 11 might be an idea instead. What do you think?
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Right on! We're still doing that - a recent BB update for Mac didn't work on Snow Leopard (which is from 2009) so we made a new patch to continue supporting Snow Leopard. It can make things a bit difficult though, as supporting older OS'es can sometimes cause issues on the new OS'es, so at some point support has to be dropped for the sake of progress. We just try and prolong that as much as we can.

As for your question, it depends on how much use Win7 gets. If you don't use it much, then it might be worth losing in favour of Win11.


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This increasing trend of Microsoft's to make new version of the OS work only on newer hardware and older versions of the OS only to run on older hardware is becoming a bit of an issue for those of us who still have to support applications back to Win95.

The best workaround I've found so far is to run the older Windows in a virtual machine, usually VirtualBox. It's quite feasible to run older OSs in a VirtualBox on the newer hardware. I'm not so confident about newer OSs in a VirtualBox on older hardware as I've not tried that.

FWIW, I work mostly (90%) on Linux and run other OSs in VirtualBoxes under Linux, whilst a colleague runs Windows10 and runs older Windows and Linux in VirtualBoxes under Win10. He still has to support an application on Win3.11-embedded.

In Windows under Linux, there are complications with USB sharing, which is a nuisance with BiaB and also with some versions of DirectX. I don't know what limitations there are running in a VirtualBox hosted by Windows because I've never done it.

When I was forced to change my Win7 on this machine to Win10, I discovered that MS offered the free upgrade from Win7/8/8.1 for many months after the official deadline. They _may_ do that again.


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The best workaround I've found so far is to run the older Windows in a virtual machine, usually VirtualBox. It's quite feasible to run older OSs in a VirtualBox on the newer hardware. I'm not so confident about newer OSs in a VirtualBox on older hardware as I've not tried that.

In some cases there are issues doing that, as the OS may require some specific CPU instruction sets (SSSE, MMX, etc) and I don't believe VirtualBox emulates those instructions (and if it did they would be very slow). If the hardware is capable of running the guest OS, I don't think it's an issue for the guest to be a newer OS than the host.


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When I was forced to change my Win7 on this machine to Win10, I discovered that MS offered the free upgrade from Win7/8/8.1 for many months after the official deadline. They _may_ do that again.

Many sources on the internet believe that Microsoft will continue this, however nothing is official.


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I can confirm, yes.. Having a valid license of Windows 10 Pro (upgraded a few years back from 8.1), I was able to upgrade to 11 Pro at no cost.




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Upgrade went fine for me. Every single piece of software I own and hardware I own is working perfectly, actually better in some cases!


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Everything but my printer is working great with Windows 11. And, if I blow past the printer issue it still prints. All is good!

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Hi,
I bought BiaB21 last year, installed it but I didn't use my computer since (health issues).
Still on Win7...
Do u think that it could be a problem to stick with Win7 in order to run BiaB22 ?
Before I can rerun my PC, should I make any fix before buying the next release ?
Thanks
PS: I didn't upgrade to win10 because of soundcard drivers unavailability...

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Drivers stalled many of us from moving to Windows 10, but only at first in most cases.

We should know in about a month what the minimum requirements are for BIAB 2022.


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So far I have not heard anything about dropping support for Windows 7 - we still supported Windows XP up until last year. That said, it is probably best if you update your operating system, as Windows 7 has not received any security updates since early 2020.


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One of the most important questions our customers ask when upgrading their operating systems or making device changes is “will our apps work”? This has been true for decades and can cause hesitancy in starting the upgrade journey. For this reason, Microsoft has invested heavily in application compatibility and services to help our customers on this journey. In fact, we made application compatibility a core tenet of Windows 10, and we continue that commitment in Windows 11.

Apple is the exact opposite for application support.

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For this reason, Microsoft has invested heavily in application compatibility and services to help our customers on this journey. In fact, we made application compatibility a core tenet of Windows 10, and we continue that commitment in Windows 11.

Try as I might, I can't get my HP printer to work on Windows 10.

Microsoft point me first to their extended printer drivers, then to HP; HP offer all sorts of tools/diagnostics/driver-installers, but most efforts fail even to find the printer, much less make it work. I guess they all want me to buy a new printer, but the printer works just fine. I just print everything from Linux.


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Gordon,

Have you tried removing your installed HP drivers and then connecting the printer so Windows uses the operating system default drivers?


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For this reason, Microsoft has invested heavily in application compatibility and services to help our customers on this journey. In fact, we made application compatibility a core tenet of Windows 10, and we continue that commitment in Windows 11.

Try as I might, I can't get my HP printer to work on Windows 10.

Microsoft point me first to their extended printer drivers, then to HP; HP offer all sorts of tools/diagnostics/driver-installers, but most efforts fail even to find the printer, much less make it work. I guess they all want me to buy a new printer, but the printer works just fine. I just print everything from Linux.


I updated to the HP Smart app and it seemed to fix any issues I had with my HP printer when it stopped working for some reason. May be the answer to your issues.


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I generally use all PG products from my Core i5 fast laptop with 8gb ram and 256 gb SSD very well using Windows 10.
Replaced my aging desktop PC for a Raspberry Pi400 for general internet and word processing.
Obtained from Microsoft latest Windows 11 for ARM64 as a beta test. Installed on the Pi with no issues and ran PTW, BIAB and RealBand quite happily (though BIAB Real tracks are slower loading than on the Core i5 machine. These are running off an attached USB hard drive. I suspect the file loading will be significantly faster from an SSD.

BTW Yamaha USB Midi driver would not install in Windows 11 but the better (includes audio) USB driver from Steinberg installed and connected my Yamaha piano.

Raspberry Pi modules are very cheap and very small which portends a great future for mobile stage musician use.

Have Fun!!

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I updated to the HP Smart app and it seemed to fix any issues I had with my HP printer

Thanks, I'll give that a go ... having to swap OS or boot another PC just to print is a real pain :-(


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Aussie Garth.
g'day...re the fab PI4.
are you pulling my chain mate...lol.
you got this nerdy geek all excited.
is win running in some sort of emulation mode or natively on pi4.

i use reaper/biab/realband combo to create songs.
same as you i5/ssd's etc/win 10.
if all that works on pi...its exciting.
for a 80 buk computer vs apples very nice, bur expensive
m1. if pi gets even more powerful say a pi5.
i know reaps has a version for arm.

can i ask you in realband menu action>>test audio performance how many traks reported ...by rb on the pi.

please keep us updated how well pg progs work on the
pi. also what sound device are you useing with pi4.
i'm prolly gonna wait for pi5.

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ps your right bout mobile apps....exciting times.


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Originally Posted By: Garth Bird
I generally use all PG products from my Core i5 fast laptop with 8gb ram and 256 gb SSD very well using Windows 10.
Replaced my aging desktop PC for a Raspberry Pi400 for general internet and word processing.
Obtained from Microsoft latest Windows 11 for ARM64 as a beta test. Installed on the Pi with no issues and ran PTW, BIAB and RealBand quite happily (though BIAB Real tracks are slower loading than on the Core i5 machine. These are running off an attached USB hard drive. I suspect the file loading will be significantly faster from an SSD.

BTW Yamaha USB Midi driver would not install in Windows 11 but the better (includes audio) USB driver from Steinberg installed and connected my Yamaha piano.

Raspberry Pi modules are very cheap and very small which portends a great future for mobile stage musician use.

Have Fun!!

Garth from Perth Aus

Very interesting news there Garth, thanks for sharing with us! I don't believe we've tried running BIAB from a Raspberry Pi yet - it's something I might have to play with.


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Aussie Garth.
g'day...re the fab PI4.
are you pulling my chain mate...lol.
you got this nerdy geek all excited.
is win running in some sort of emulation mode or natively on pi4.

Windows for ARM now has an x86 emulator in it, much like macOS on the M1 (which is ARM too). This was intended for the newer Microsoft Surface tablets, some of which use ARM chips, and I didn't expect it would also fall onto Raspberry... It'll definitely take a performance hit, but from the sounds of it things are working at least!


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simon..
sigh... a big raspberry for emulators...lol.
if the pi processor hits 4 ghz watch out daw world.
gonna be a game changer i hope.
hopefully pi will make apple keep its m1 prices down.

apple could slay it with a 300 buk computer imho.
but i dont think we will ever see it...sigh.

another competitive aspect is i can now buy i5 refurbs
for peanuts under 200 buks. plenty power eg 4570
for biab/rb as long as one dont go nuts on high cpu plug ins.

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More on Raspberry Pi testing -

Pi OS desktop loaded Ram usage 138mB out of about 3mB available.
Pi Windows 11 Arm64 desktop loaded Ram usage over 2gB.

I would wait for a Pi500 or whatever they call it with 8gB Ram.
Pi4B with 8gB ram has been produced but stocks are unavailable here in Australia until well into 2022.

LMMS (DAW for Linux) works incredibly well on PiOS with only 175mB used when run. Loading a GM soft synth and midi file brings Ram usage up to 405mB in total.

LMMS can use the built in HDMI sound output but Win 11 ARM64 using PG music products cannot. I have ordered a USB sound card output and suspect this will work. I will then test BIAB real track output.
Pi400 has no audio jack but the Pi4 has.

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Won't work for me - my CPU is outdated and my MB does not support TPM. That's fine, though. Win 10 is just fine.


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Took a while, but my new machine has Windows 11 and that works great with BIAB and everything else. I actually like 11. smile


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