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BIAB run on Linux #716217 05/09/22 05:26 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 6 Oklahoma M MountainMan OP Newbie
OP MountainMan Newbie M Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 6 Oklahoma	I apologize if this has been covered previously. Will there ever be a Linux version of BIAB? I do not want to run Win 11 and after support is dropped for win 10 I will switch to Linux for my everyday computing. If I continue to use win 10 off line for BIAB, will upgrades and updates of BIAB still work on offline win 10? Or should I just use my system as it is at that time? I am not sure that this is clear. I will try to explain further if anyone would like me to. I don't use BIAB professionally, but I have a lot of fun with it. I am a retired Chemist and Musician and would like to keep using it. Thank You for reading and also if you respond. I am not technically challenged but close to it. Den Rogers

Re: BIAB run on Linux MountainMan #716264 05/09/22 10:18 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 612 Hockley, TX B Byron Dickens Journeyman
Byron Dickens Journeyman B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 612 Hockley, TX	My question is why are you going to want to tie your hands behind your back like that? Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs

Re: BIAB run on Linux MountainMan #716283 05/09/22 12:08 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Expert
Gordon Scott Expert Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK	It doesn't look likely that PGM will produce a Linux version, at least not anytime soon. It is, though, possible to run BiaB on Linux using Wine ... both user pipeline and I, at least, have it mostly working, but there are still a few hangups. Probably the bigbest is that BiaB uses Windows Media Player to play .wma files and that doesn't work for it on Linux. There's a workaround for most things, by expanding the .wma files to .wav, or by getting the audiophile version. The demo songs don't play, I presume because BiaB doesn't even look for a .wav version. It will also run in VirtualBox on Linux. There's a bit of messing about to route USB MIDI devices. Have a look through +++ this thread +++ where pipeline helped me to fix a few issues. My later efforts with +++ AVL:MXE +++ went quite well. I'm now more likely to work with BiaB on Linux than on Windows10, though mostly because I'm a long-term Unix/Linux user. As an aside, whilst I don't have a huge number of VSTs and similar, most work just fine in Linux, though some of the download managers need some coaxing, for example, the Native-Instruments downloader fails to install downloaded .iso files, but one can just mount and run them manually (there's a special mount mode). HTH. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.

Re: BIAB run on Linux MountainMan #716299 05/09/22 02:58 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 6 Oklahoma M MountainMan OP Newbie
OP MountainMan Newbie M Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 6 Oklahoma	Thank You Gordon! Your info is very helpful.

Re: BIAB run on Linux MountainMan #716300 05/09/22 03:06 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 6 Oklahoma M MountainMan OP Newbie
OP MountainMan Newbie M Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 6 Oklahoma	Byron Thanks for your reply. I have a computer that works very well for me. It will not upgrade to win 11. I want to keep my computer. I will work my music offline and use a linux Hdd for my other business. I'm just an old stubborn man I guess. Mountain Man

Re: BIAB run on Linux MountainMan #716681 05/12/22 02:56 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jun 2017 Posts: 2,945 Victoria, BC Ember - PG Music PG Music Staff
Ember - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: Jun 2017 Posts: 2,945 Victoria, BC	At this time there's no plans for a Linux version, but as mentioned above you can technically simulate a Windows environment on a Linux machine in order to run Windows programs. Cheers, Ember

Re: BIAB run on Linux MountainMan #716734 05/13/22 02:46 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,094 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A. Notes Norton Veteran
Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,094 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	I've upgraded to Windows 11, and for all I do, it doesn't seem that different from Win 10. Some cosmetic changes, some new minor irritants, and some things seem to work better. What am I missing? What's wrong with Win 11 that I shouldn't want to use it? Thanks, Notes ♫ Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: BIAB run on Linux Notes Norton #716751 05/13/22 03:56 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Expert
Gordon Scott Expert Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted By: Notes Norton What am I missing? What's wrong with Win 11 that I shouldn't want to use it? A main issue seems to me to be Windows 11 refusing to install/run unless your CPU is of a sufficiently recent generation. If you've updated OK, then I think there are few or no reasons to not use it. PC World: Here are the CPUs that officially can run Windows 11 Microsoft: Windows Processor Requirements Edit ... an additional annoyance that I hit for myself is older versions of Windows (in my case Win7) will also not install if the CPU is deemed too new. Last edited by Gordon Scott; 05/13/22 03:58 AM. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.

Re: BIAB run on Linux Gordon Scott #716769 05/13/22 05:33 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 6 Oklahoma M MountainMan OP Newbie
OP MountainMan Newbie M Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 6 Oklahoma	Thank You Gordon. You said it better than I could. I would only like to add IMHO Microsoft is slowly moving towards not allowing any software to run that is not approved by their app store. I have 5 computers in my household and can't afford to replace all of them. Mountain Man

Re: BIAB run on Linux MountainMan #716783 05/13/22 07:02 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Expert
Gordon Scott Expert Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted By: MountainMan I have 5 computers in my household and can't afford to replace all of them. Mountain Man I have only a few applications on Windows that I need() for which I don't have either good Linux substitutes or I can't/don't run under Wine or in VirtualBox on Linux. My wife uses Linux and for a number of years simply presumed it was Windows. She hadn't realised it wasn't. BiaB is good but imperfect under Wine, though a few little things actually work better under Wine than on Windows. ()I have a PCB CAD system that won't render layouts under Wine or VirtualBox. IIRC, that's it, though I'm sure there are other things. Video editors are sometimes still a bit limited and a bit fragile. I have 7 computers here in pretty-much everyday use. Two of those are ITXs (my main file-server and BackupPC in an outbuilding), one is a Raspberry Pi (DMZ and mail transport). None of those three, nor my studio PC even have Windows on them. I do though have around 40 years experience with Unix and Linux systems and I'm perfectly happy using the command line for some tasks. Indeed I prefer it for some tasks. Oh, BTW, I have no objection to paying for software on Linux and I'll make donations to help support the free stuff. To me that seems only fair. Last edited by Gordon Scott; 05/13/22 07:05 AM. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.

Re: BIAB run on Linux Ember - PG Music #716785 05/13/22 07:20 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Expert
Gordon Scott Expert Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted By: Ember - PG Music At this time there's no plans for a Linux version... ... which is perfectly understandable for many reasons... PGM has a business to run, staff to pay and mouths to feed. At the same time, though, it would be wonderful if someone within PGM had an active interest in Linux and could help towards smoothing out the odd bumps in the road. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.

Re: BIAB run on Linux MountainMan #716839 05/13/22 02:27 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,122 Winston-Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,122 Winston-Salem, NC USA	Windows 11 preview is demonstrating a new Sound Recorder utility. +++ Sound Recorder Preview Article +++ Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1111) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: BIAB run on Linux Gordon Scott #716845 05/13/22 02:53 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jun 2017 Posts: 2,945 Victoria, BC Ember - PG Music PG Music Staff
Ember - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: Jun 2017 Posts: 2,945 Victoria, BC	Originally Posted By: Gordon Scott Originally Posted By: Ember - PG Music At this time there's no plans for a Linux version... ... which is perfectly understandable for many reasons... PGM has a business to run, staff to pay and mouths to feed. At the same time, though, it would be wonderful if someone within PGM had an active interest in Linux and could help towards smoothing out the odd bumps in the road. I can't guarantee anything as a result of doing so, but I can at the very least pass these wishes along for you. Cheers, Ember

Re: BIAB run on Linux MountainMan #716858 05/13/22 04:29 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 7,954 P Pipeline Veteran
Pipeline Veteran P Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 7,954	Biab Track Injector for REAPER should work under Linux as there is a Reaper version for Linux, and running Biab and AutoHotkey under wine. The Reaper script just calls on Autohotkey scripts to access Biab functions. The bb folder may have to be changed in the Reaper script to point to the wine folder as the script just needs to read C:\bb\Data temp.text trackdata.txt RealTracksList.txt RealDrumsList.txt and the wine path added in front of the RealTrack/Drums path. If the BBPlugin was self contained with all the functions in it rather than in the BB app it would work under Linux with yarbridge. It would be good if there was a Biab Linux version but then they would need 6 months on Win, 6 months on Mac and 6 months on Linux and that is more months than in a year. Biab Track Injector for Reaper Free Biab Chord Picker Tool

Re: BIAB run on Linux Gordon Scott #716906 05/14/22 02:32 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,094 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A. Notes Norton Veteran
Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,094 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	Originally Posted By: Gordon Scott Originally Posted By: Notes Norton What am I missing? What's wrong with Win 11 that I shouldn't want to use it? A main issue seems to me to be Windows 11 refusing to install/run unless your CPU is of a sufficiently recent generation. If you've updated OK, then I think there are few or no reasons to not use it.<...snip...> Thanks, Gordon. Notes ♫ Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: BIAB run on Linux MountainMan #717136 05/16/22 11:00 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Expert
Gordon Scott Expert Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK	I've been meaning to try this for ages, but never quite got around to it until now. I have no evidenced whether the following translates into reality and clearly must try it to find out. RealBand Action->Test_Audio_Performance on this rather old series-7. Windows 10 ... estimated 145 tracks. AVL:MXE Linux ... estimated 208 tracks. I wonder if there's a good repeatable way to prove or disprove those estimates. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.

Re: BIAB run on Linux Ember - PG Music #792736 12/30/23 11:41 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 9 Reno, Nevada, USA M mandofrog Newbie
mandofrog Newbie M Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 9 Reno, Nevada, USA	Originally Posted by Ember - PG Music Originally Posted by Gordon Scott Originally Posted by Ember - PG Music At this time there's no plans for a Linux version... ... which is perfectly understandable for many reasons... PGM has a business to run, staff to pay and mouths to feed. At the same time, though, it would be wonderful if someone within PGM had an active interest in Linux and could help towards smoothing out the odd bumps in the road. I can't guarantee anything as a result of doing so, but I can at the very least pass these wishes along for you. A year and a half later, I'll echo this. Linux is growing in ”market share” (now running on over 5% of computers according to an article I read last month), and there are at least 2 Linux distributions aimed directly at media production (Ubuntu Studio and AVLinux). As Gordon alluded, there may not be a strong enough business case to invest resources into porting BIAB/RB to Linux. But I think PGM would do well to have a Linux specialist on their support staff. Write some articles and make some videos on how make it work. Create a section on the forum for setting up and running BIAB/RB on Linux. Provide a workaround for the Windows Media Player problem. -Randy

Re: BIAB run on Linux mandofrog #792744 12/30/23 11:53 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Expert
Gordon Scott Expert Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted by el camaleón Linux is growing in ”market share” (now running on over 5% of computers according to an article I read last month) That's likely just the desktop share. Most of the Internet and many of the big data systems are Linux. FWIW, 100% of my own machines run Linux. Nearly half do also have Windows available on them. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.

Re: BIAB run on Linux (PG Like Hello !!) mandofrog #792799 12/30/23 07:09 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,465 musocity Veteran
musocity Veteran Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,465	PG should have an interest in getting Biab to run on Linux under Wine. I have asked many times to have an internal code to play the wma files. It's the same problem when using the BiabVST under yabridge Windows Media Player issues as in the dialogs it calls on the WMP.dll then can't find it and gives an error. PG, please install Linux and try it out under Wine, I bet you can get it sorted !!! this will also solve the issue that comes up all the time over the years with users not being able to play the demo wma's because Windows can't access the audio device. Having an internal wma player will solve this issue on Win and Lin. You don't have another 6 months to work on a Lin version as 6 is spent on Win then another 6 on Mac. Unless you go over to JUCE you need to get it working under Wine. https://stash.reaper.fm/u/ReaTrak (Scripts for Biab Reaper) Open SGU in Reaper Instantly

Re: BIAB run on Linux (PG Like Hello !!) musocity #792846 12/31/23 03:39 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Expert
Gordon Scott Expert Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,897 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted by musocity PG, please install Linux and try it out under Wine, I bet you can get it sorted !! Indeed. There are obvious imperatives for focussing on Windows and the Mac, not many for Linux, but there are potential benefits in doing it anyway. Amongst those is the extra understanding it can give on the various differences between the OSs and how and where to best put any interfaces, rationalisations and/or shims. I fully understand() a reluctance to produce a formal Linux product. () Well, OK, as a long-term, die-hard, Linux user I don't entirely agree with it, but I do understand it. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.

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