Was thinkin of a title like ‘ i warned her’ or ‘she’s so bad (in a good way)’.....or ‘she only wants to rok n’ tease’. or ‘brunettes with red lipstick’ or … ’rock girls with guitars rule’... lol gonna google n see if any those titles are taken. Tell me if you like any title that appeals. Or if you hate em all..i can take it.. Twas just off the cuff titles on the fly anyway as i was typing this.
If it turns out a junk rok effort on my part at least will be a fun journey.
You just had to get me going didnt ya GH ???? ..lol Now i’m off to biab/rb all excited n’ cranked up. Loads of work to do.
Look up Heartbreaker. There's several different songs I can recall that use that title. Titles are not copyrightable. I googled it and turns out to be way more than the couple I was thinking about
1 Mariah Carey Heartbreaker 1999 US Billboard 1 - Sep 1999 (20 weeks) 2 Dionne Warwick Heartbreaker 1982 Sweden (alt) 1 - Oct 1982 (21 weeks) 3 Pat Benatar Heartbreaker 1980 France 3 - Apr 1980 (2 weeks) 4 Led Zeppelin Heartbreaker 1969 DDD 13 of 1969, Scrobulate 31 of classic rock, TheQ 156, Rolling Stone 320, Acclaimed 911 (1969), RYM 49 of 1970 5 Sam Browne Heartbreaker 1948 UK 40s Sheet Music 2 - Jun 1948 (22 weeks) 6 Grand Funk Railroad Heartbreaker 1970 France 4 - Sep 1970 (4 weeks), US Billboard 72 - Feb 1970 (6 weeks) 7 will.i.am Heartbreaker 2008 UK 4 - Mar 2008 (26 weeks) 8 Rasmus Heartbreaker 2002 Finland 1 for 5 weeks - Mar 2002 9 Dolly Parton Heartbreaker 1978 Holland 27 - Feb 1984 (4 weeks), US Billboard 37 - Aug 1978 (10 weeks) 10 Ferko String Band Heartbreaker 1948 US Billboard 21 - Mar 1948 (3 weeks) 11 The Andrews Sisters Heartbreaker 1948 US Billboard 21 - May 1948 (5 weeks) 12 Teriyaki Boyz Heartbreaker 2005 Japan (Tokyo) 15 - Oct 2005 (6 weeks) 13 Art Mooney Heartbreaker 1952 US Billboard 24 - Dec 1952 (1 week) 14 Justin Bieber Heartbreaker 2013 US Billboard 13 - Oct 2013 (2 weeks), ODK Germany 32 - Oct 2013 (2 weeks) 15 Blue Lagoon Heartbreaker 2005 ODK Germany 22 - Jul 2005 (9 weeks), Austria 30 - Aug 2005 (1 month) 16 Mstrkrft & John Legend Heartbreaker 2009 UK 50 - Aug 2009 (2 weeks) 17 Glitterati Heartbreaker 2005 UK 45 - Jun 2005 (1 week) 18 Color Me Badd Heartbreaker 1992 UK 58 - Feb 1992 (1 week) 19 Dean Christie Heartbreaker 1962 US Billboard 87 - Nov 1962 (4 weeks) 20 Musical Youth Heartbreaker 1983 UK 44 - Apr 1983 (3 weeks) 21 Lisa Wohlgemuth Heartbreaker 2013 ODK Germany 8 - May 2013 (6 weeks) (1 week in top 10) 22 Ray Charles Heartbreaker 1953 RYM 81 of 1953
BTW: I really like that one She's so bad in a good way".... I might have to steal that one myself.
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The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
1.. nah, wont use word heartbreaker in the title, lyrics or the song. vibe/lyrics...Another title i was kinda liking is… “Brunettes are the best.” (wifes a brunette..why she puts up with and EVEN contributes to my song madness over the years…i cant fathom..love is blind.)
Ok i have a fee for using one of my title ideas…lmao. One of these tasty treats…
2.. ive been working away on song arrange in biab. Its gonna be a rock chugger/throbber. Gonna be loads of work even with pretty simple rock chords. But i dunno if i can pull it off.
I’m very open as to rd’s that might get me close to the ‘snare audio picture’ in the first song ,for example, in that superb river plate vid you posted. As sometimes i have trouble as i said before finding approp snare in a rock song. I often compromise. or have to condition. also i'm open to any geetar acdc like geetars//rt's. i'm gradually going thru all rt's. 3.. My concern is whether I can pull off the vocs like i used to do easily. I cant hit the very high vocal rock notes and screams like i used to as i age..sigh. So now ive got arrange down in biab, gonna do vocal tests in rb n’ reaps. Lotsa fun.
Best Om
Rayc. One reason i give acdc big respect is how close they come to the studio recordings. Which is often difficult for any group doing live gigs per Byrons excellent reasoning upthread. different environments etc etc.
for me i love any acdc vocs includeing that argentina vid. i like that gnarly voc character. it aint easy to do.
thanks for the vid yt link. yep ive been told in the past the acdc history from the beginning. but it was a good vid.
Well ive had time now to test it out. Gonna return it. Didnt crank me up…sigh,... high gains i found ‘sizzly'.
The search continues ..lol.
best om
I think Guitar Center is now carrying the Spark line of amps.... go listen and play one and I believe they have a 45 day return policy as well. I think you might actually like it.
The metal models tend to be very high end heavy....sizzly as you say, BUT... the blues and rock models are quite nicely rounded and you can control the tone from top to bottom.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
what baffles me mate is before this tech we have today and dsp chips (which obviously the modelers use) and plug in vst's …huge records were done with the amps of the particular era. so why arent the guitar amp manufacturers able to do it today ? every time ive gone to my local gear store in recent years (before covid) not even the pricey amps cranked me up.
maybe the dsp chip tech isnt there yet ?
when i listen to all the tech today and the 'sizzles' that drive me nuts (so i have to 'condition' the guitar trak ) i wonder if the gear manufacturers ever listen to classic rock records like 38 special hold on loosely and loads other songs.
actually to be fair to peavey mate, one of the few amps i got here now is a vpyr that i like . i can get close to the classic tones i want…but not all the way there. if ya know what i mean...sigh.
and heres whats amazeing one of the best lead classic rock tones ive ever heard was in a big studio from a huge talent session guitarist who only had a cheap 'pignose' and a few pedals. he was just magic on the recorded traks. just nailed the classic tones i love.
best om ps...lol just to screw up my week, my headphones gave up...so i need new open backed around ear. a great pair of cheapo phones. under 100 buckies. someone posted a recommend recently , but i lost the pg thread.
A quick look at Sweetwater showed only two openbacks between 80 and 130. AKG K240 MkII and Yamaha HPH-150B.
For many years I used the original K240-sextet and they were superb, but after around 40 years the cable started to disintegrate ... run over too many times by my office chair. The K240 MkII are not as good as the Sextet version, but they're still pretty good, IMHO. Of course my ears are less good now.
I did wonder how much more for my K702 headphones, which are notably better, but they were way out of the target price range ($409). :-( Curiously they're not priced soo far away from my usual dealer in the UK (£175). I guess that reflects demand and geography.
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Another example of great hard rock no 'sizzles'. last night i was playing along to judas priests rocking out to 'youve got another think comin'. a very catchy song imho. with some cute ways its played on guitar. just pure great hard rok….and no sizzles. i got very close with my jackson + peavey vpyr amp combo. . and no silly sizzles on the jp record or my amp. i think jp used uk amps ? marshalls ? for hard rock i used to be kinda partial to crates myself. now question….. what amp in a pedal will give me that rhythm and lead rock tone ? it amazes me that these sorta rock songs were done without the tech/impulse responses/vsti plug ins many use today which i find often frustrates me. i just wanna plug in n' rock out instead of fiddling for ages with IR's//vsti's//menus etc etc lol. which is one reason i like the vpyr , not much fiddling about. any ideas ?
happiness. om
Gordon.
cheers for the recommendations // phones. but i managed to fix my akg's. soooh many new brands eh ?
Another example of great hard rock no 'sizzles'. last night i was playing along to judas priests rocking out to 'youve got another think comin'. a very catchy song imho. with some cute ways its played on guitar. just pure great hard rok….and no sizzles. i got very close with my jackson + peavey vpyr amp combo. . and no silly sizzles on the jp record or my amp. i think jp used uk amps ? marshalls ? for hard rock i used to be kinda partial to crates myself. now question….. what amp in a pedal will give me that rhythm and lead rock tone ?
Your starting point in almost certainly going to be a Marshall 2203/ 2204 (JMP master volume/ JCM 800) with EL34 power tubes and not 6550s along with a healthy dose of either phase shifter or chorus and delay.
At that time, KK was probably playing a Flying V and Glenn an SG.
You also need to be aware that there is a ton of post processing.
Byron Dickens
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I get the whole aversion to the modeling amps. I was that person too. Give me a Mesa and a 20ft cord and a Gibson guitar with humbuckers, crank it up and screw the rest. I played professionally like that for quite a while. No pedals, no FX, just tubes, guitars, and a couple 4x12 cabinets.
However, as a studio player now.... I can't get the versatility I need from just one amp when I'm covering everything from rock to country and more. It's nice to have options.
In addition, with the S-40, I run direct so the volume issue with the Mesa cranking to get that sweet roasting tube tone is not an issue. The modeler does it. Yeah, some of the tones in the modeler can be "sizzly" but I can normally dial in a good EQ that removes that high end fizz. However, a modeler is just that...a model of the original. It might be close, but you're going to be hard pressed to put a modeler side by side with the amp it's trying to emulate and do a comparison and not hear a difference. If you want a cranked Marshall or Mesa.... get a Marshall or Mesa and crank it up. Unfortunately, I have neither the space nor the money to afford to have every amp in the S-40 modeling list....so.... the S-40 is the trick for now.... unless I decide to use the Mesa...
for what I need it to do, the Spark 40 does a reasonable job considering everything.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
For the record, what I have an aversion to is not amp modeling but presets. Particularly ones that allege to make you sound like a particular record because it's nothing but BS marketing hype.
Byron Dickens
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you make very good points. unfortunately i cant justify the high end marshals, some costing several thousand unless i win a lottery lol.. i just looked up the latest prices...goodness.
you also make excellent points bout post processing. ive seen this 'magic' in big studios.
as i said upthread i was blown away once in a studio by a session pro gtr player who brought in nothing more than a pignose amp and a few pedals. he was an amazeing talent what he could do with little. but again there was post done.
re marketing, yep ive been disappointed before more than once.
happiness/best
GH.
i think what i will do is try n' rent sparky from my local gear store n' see if it meets my needs. as i was uk born i think its amazeing all the great guitarists uk produced over the years. (not moi).
i'm in awe with the shads for example n' h marvin. and what they could do before all the tech we have today.
For the record, what I have an aversion to is not amp modeling but presets. Particularly ones that allege to make you sound like a particular record because it's nothing but BS marketing hype. _________________________ Byron Dickens
So... those presets are based on someone else's opinion and gear that is connected to that particular amp/modeler. If they used a guitar with dual humbuckers and I use a different guitar with perhaps single coils, or even humbuckers of a different kind.... nope... it's not going to sound exactly the same. Close, but still not exact.
However, what I have learned is that to get a certain sound, whether it's a guitar model preset or a preset in Ozone or some other FX processor, the preset is often a very good starting point. I take that preset, tweek it and then save it with an overwrite and it's now MY preset and even then, when I go to use it in a project.... it's almost always nothing but a starting point for the sound I seek.
NOTE: Here's something else I have learned.... Even when I played professionally, I would have nights where I just couldn't seem to get the tone dialed in while using the same gear nightly on the same stage I had played before. Then there were other nights where it was sweet from the sound check and throughout the show. Mesa Boogie and Gibson tended to give me the tone more consistently once I got the Mesa. Point being.... tone varied for me even using the same gear from night to night. Not by much, and others in the band didn't notice or say anything.... other than "it sounds good to me" .......
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
you make very good points. unfortunately i cant justify the high end marshals, some costing several thousand unless i win a lottery lol.. i just looked up the latest prices...goodness.
Nope, but some of the amp sims are real good these days.
Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso
as i said upthread i was blown away once in a studio by a session pro gtr player who brought in nothing more than a pignose amp and a few pedals. he was an amazeing talent what he could do with little. but again there was post done.
om
See! A great player can plug into anything and sound good.
Byron Dickens
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For the record, what I have an aversion to is not amp modeling but presets. Particularly ones that allege to make you sound like a particular record because it's nothing but BS marketing hype. _________________________ Byron Dickens
So... those presets are based on someone else's opinion and gear that is connected to that particular amp/modeler. If they used a guitar with dual humbuckers and I use a different guitar with perhaps single coils, or even humbuckers of a different kind.... nope... it's not going to sound exactly the same. Close, but still not exact.
However, what I have learned is that to get a certain sound, whether it's a guitar model preset or a preset in Ozone or some other FX processor, the preset is often a very good starting point. I take that preset, tweek it and then save it with an overwrite and it's now MY preset and even then, when I go to use it in a project.... it's almost always nothing but a starting point for the sound I seek.
NOTE: Here's something else I have learned.... Even when I played professionally, I would have nights where I just couldn't seem to get the tone dialed in while using the same gear nightly on the same stage I had played before. Then there were other nights where it was sweet from the sound check and throughout the show. Mesa Boogie and Gibson tended to give me the tone more consistently once I got the Mesa. Point being.... tone varied for me even using the same gear from night to night. Not by much, and others in the band didn't notice or say anything.... other than "it sounds good to me" .......
Bingo.
That perfectly illustrates the points I've been trying to make.
Thinking that you are going to buy Jimi Hendrix, Slash, Eddie Van Halen or anyone else's tone and have it in a box, available to you at the push of a button, is foolishness.
What I've learned about presets is that I spend too much time scrolling through them looking for one that is almost right and then having to spend more time tweaking it and too little time actually playing.
Its a lot faster once you learn how your gear works and how to get the sound you're after from scratch.
Byron Dickens
BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency.
I know a chap with a Kemper. He's found that A LOT of the presets shouldn't be tweaked as they fall apart very quickly where as a profile can be managed well. Starting with a basic amp and work from there in other words. I'm no fan of such tech but the fellow writes & records a lot of guitar music in his apartment so the Kemper is his best option.
Then again - for those into specifics...
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I have no interest in such things but they exist and there's a market for them.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
A full disclosure I use Amplitube 5 for all of my guitar recordings. But getting a Hendrix pedal, a Mosrite guitar, Les Paul, any amp sim, etc will not make you sound like the idol you are trying to emulate unless you have the chops to go with them. No matter what guitar, amp, amp sim,etc you give me I will always sound like Mario. I am not that good of a guitarist to emulate anyone but at this stage of my life I have fun and I am happy with my playing and that is the only thing that matters. YMMV
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well i have to say after listening to lots of you tube vids, and given the age of my peavey vpyr , and the fact i got it cheap. i'm certainly not gonna let it go. compared to lots of gtr gear ive heard for me anyway i think it does a pretty decent job. i like the ease of use.
ive struggled to find anything better for what i paid for vpyr. i use it in conjunction with reaps built in IR amp models often.
i'm not willing to spend at the kemper or helix level cos outside my budget and concern bout gear obsolescence. same concern , even tho i love the processors. re apple macbooks. ie now the m2 cpu is coming out, can m1 systems be upgraded ? i'm glad now i didnt plop for a m1 mac.
on the subject of 'getting those sounds we all love' , i had an interesting discussion once in a studio with other musos way better than i on why with the same settings next day one couldnt reproduce the sound one liked the day before. this has happened soo many times to me over the years. one discussion centered bout maybe it was differences in temps or humidity. and 'fingers' of course.
frankly like mario its all bout great enjoyment to me doing songs. cos i'm not a great guitarist i resort to often several test traks, and i'm comping of course.
i'm a good comp/cut/paste jockey…lmao.
but then if i get very self critical i remind myself how many times ive seen big name guitar players completely muck up at a live concert i went to.
best om
ps listened to the vids up thread (thanks Rayc)...frankly didnt crank me up cept maybe the hendrix pedal in some places.
I recently bought a Lester-G Pedal not to sound like Buddy Guy or any other top name who use Leslie Pedals. I bought it because it had the sound I wanted. If an item has the sound you want - go for it. But to attempt to sound exactly like Hendrix or any other person is going to be a waste of money. IMHO.
I recently bought a Lester-G Pedal not to sound like Buddy Guy or any other top name who use Leslie Pedals. I bought it because it had the sound I wanted. If an item has the sound you want - go for it. But to attempt to sound exactly like Hendrix or any other person is going to be a waste of money. IMHO.
...Deb
I agree - there's a huge market for it though....there can't be that many tribute bands out there so it must be the hoe chugger's desire.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
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