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really hate hearing my amp through headphones


How do you hear the amp through the headphones?
Is the mic picking it up?
If so face the mic away from the amp, or move them farther apart.

I record with headphones, as using monitors while recording is just asking for trouble.
Record with headphones, then listen back to it through the monitors after (with the mic off or turned down).

Knowing how things are routed when you have this issue would help us answer.


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really hate hearing my amp through headphones


How do you hear the amp through the headphones?
Is the mic picking it up?
If so face the mic away from the amp, or move them farther apart.

I record with headphones, as using monitors while recording is just asking for trouble.
Record with headphones, then listen back to it through the monitors after (with the mic off or turned down).

Knowing how things are routed when you have this issue would help us answer.
asking for trouble I don't like wearing headphones while playing

What is the best way to reduce it?

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Originally Posted By: Nicasdream
Going with the adam t8v or yamaha hs8s
Already have a Toma 1st chair xl super sweet

No singing lol getting a sm57 already have at2020 condenser mic might get a ribbon mic later on

Any tips on how to place the speakers and amp to not capture too much bleed really hate hearing my amp through headphones

Should I place the amp in front of the speakers

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You need to get used to headphones; you're only asking for trouble.


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Placement of the amp would depend a lot on the amp.
What amp are you using/planning to use?
What volume level?
If you plan to play along with BIAB & have the lot coming through your monitor speakers you'll need to set up your interface for direct monitoring so that latency won't become a problem.
Describe, as clearly as you can, what you aim to achieve in your room.


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Originally Posted By: Nicasdream
... I don't like wearing headphones while playing ...

Just a thought ...
If you're using closed back headphones and don't like the isolation, you might try open-backed. I find them much more acoustically comfortable. I use AKGs which are also fairly light. Cables are a nuisance and BlueTooth will add some latency.


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And a whole different route; does your amp have a direct out on it?
In other words a line level signal that could be sent directly to the interface.

That might eliminate the need for a mic in the first place.
I prefer recording guitar/bass this way sometimes, unless the sound of the amp's speaker is absolutely necessary.
Even then it can sometimes be emulated.
Just another route to consider.

One other thing to try is putting the mic *right in front of the amp facing the amp (with the monitors well behind the mic).
Put an SM-57 right in front of the cone (a little off center of course) and about 8" away from the speakers and any background monitor issue may become much more manageable.
In other words your second solution, monitors behind the mic and a ways away, and with the mic right up to the amp speaker.

Watch your volume levels so as to not damage anything, but this method can be used successfully if done carefully.


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The recordings would be to mainly critique myself and act like a bottom line like a sound check of sorts

And then I would put open back headphones for recording if it's really serious or have Biab really low to minimize bleed

And probably a Gb twin reverb around 3 or 4

But I also like the sound of live jazz recordings more than the studio stuff everything sounds mo better than the really isolated jazz studio recordings the sounds seem to resonate and decay in a more erratic but definent way if that makes sense

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Before I take too much of your guys time with my journey

Would it be best to

Have the the audio interface next to the speakers with a 20 foot USB cable run

Or

The audio interface next to the pc with a 20 foot xlr cable run

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XLR is much better shielded. I would go that route and keep the interface near the PC.




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Correct, the XLR can be much longer than that. The maximum length of a USB cable is 15’ but I’ve seen manuals that limit it to 8’.


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How you place equipment is dependent on the limits of the technical specifications of the equipment.

I tend to record one track at a time here at home. If there was ever a question of bleed from the guitar amp, for example, I would place it in another room. In my case downstairs with the doors closed. I am using software, BIAB, or others to create drum lines. Digital piano, and software bass most of the time which does not create bleed issues.

My preference is to play guitar and sing at the same time but that gets to be difficult in my home studio. If I am serious I move the vocal mic to the next room and have my wife press the record button...lol

You will find the SM57 to be a very useful mic. The ribbon mics of the type that are actually useful are pretty pricy. They really need their own mic pre.

If you are using a tube amp that requires a mic, the SM57 will work well. You will have to experiment with mic placement so you get a sound you like.

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Originally Posted By: Nicasdream
asking for trouble I don't like wearing headphones while playing

What is the best way to reduce it?



I prefer to run my amp direct into the interface. My interface echos the audio input to the monitors so I can hear the amp in my studio speakers. If a mic is plugged in.... it will feedback so I shut off the speakers and monitor with cans.

I too, prefer to not wear cans while playing the guitar. So the echo input works well for me. The only reason I would mic an amp would be if I needed to use an amp that has no line out or I'm lacking a DI box.

That's my solution. Put the guitar amp directly into the interface and monitor it live. When I hit play or record.... I hear the tracks and the guitar and I'm able to record the guitar in that manner without cans.


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Originally Posted By: Nicasdream
asking for trouble I don't like wearing headphones while playing

What is the best way to reduce it?



I prefer to run my amp direct into the interface. My interface echos the audio input to the monitors so I can hear the amp in my studio speakers. If a mic is plugged in.... it will feedback so I shut off the speakers and monitor with cans.
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And a whole different route; does your amp have a direct out on it?
In other words a line level signal that could be sent directly to the interface.

That might eliminate the need for a mic in the first place.
I prefer recording guitar/bass this way sometimes, unless the sound of the amp's speaker is absolutely necessary.
Even then it can sometimes be emulated.
Just another route to consider.


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Originally Posted By: Nicasdream
asking for trouble I don't like wearing headphones while playing

What is the best way to reduce it?



I prefer to run my amp direct into the interface. My interface echos the audio input to the monitors so I can hear the amp in my studio speakers. If a mic is plugged in.... it will feedback so I shut off the speakers and monitor with cans.

I too, prefer to not wear cans while playing the guitar. So the echo input works well for me. The only reason I would mic an amp would be if I needed to use an amp that has no line out or I'm lacking a DI box.

That's my solution. Put the guitar amp directly into the interface and monitor it live. When I hit play or record.... I hear the tracks and the guitar and I'm able to record the guitar in that manner without cans.


Line outs sound like crap.


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Maybe you're doing it wrong


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Originally Posted By: rharv
Maybe you're doing it wrong
+1. Line Out is the correct level signal for a powered speaker or the next stage of audio equipment.


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Doing it wrong, huh?

Tell me which professional engineers in professional studios take a line out from a guitar amp into the console instead of miking the speaker.


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Doing it wrong, huh?

Tell me which professional engineers in professional studios take a line out from a guitar amp into the console instead of miking the speaker.


OK, I give up
If the OP had a 'Professional Studio' and a 'Professional Engineer' they wouldn't have asked the original question

I was just trying to help
/Three of us (all with a lot of experience) have suggested this option, but maybe you know best
// there have been many DI tracks recorded on very successful recordings but I don't have time to list them for you


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I like to use some of both. About 1/3 direct and 2/3 from a mic. But I give up, too.


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DI is NOT a line out from an amp.

Using any one of the very high quality amp sim software available is a way better option

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