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Thanks Charlie, I am determined to remain completely respectful in all my communications. And I have respect for the effort and music that Henry posted.

Your answers above were exactly the points I was trying to make. I apparently did not do a good job in communicating this.

I have a long history of working with midi and RTs in BIAB and have fallen into likely every pitfall there is, including those I made myself. In my defense I can only say I may be a little over sensitive to this topic. I percieved that some of the details were being missed in Henry's video. However, I admit, no one asked my opinion and I should have just kept my mouth shut. I deleted my orignal post. Live and learn.

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I agree it was likely a misunderstanding of words rather than intent. I consider you one of the top midi experts here on the forum and recall your tutorial regarding using midi channel 5 to communicate with a TC Helicon. You have a lot of knowledge to offer everyone on the forum.

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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Originally Posted By: Henry Clarke

First of all I would never write a comment like this.


Apparently you missunderstood my comment. No disrespect intended. Likely I choose my words unclearly.

Take care MusicStudent,
I read your comments and you made a fair point - the HOW wasn't obvious, the magic of the software across platforms is "deceptive". Henry is very prickly, with a perceived slight or even the vaguest whiff of criticism seeing him become irate.
"First of all I would never write a comment like this. It's just flat out disrespectful. Also it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about!!" NEVER seems to have a short life or H.C. has a skewed/myopic interpretation of unkindness.

"Disrespect" is a powerful and much misused word. Then again I'm prickly about the assumption that respect is automatic and doesn't require being earnt. Whilst I agree that a modicum of sensitivity is due all folk in the 1st instance, this cannot be advanced until folk demonstrate they give and earn "respect".

Henry has a great in depth understanding & practice with BIAB, he's very enthusiastic which is a fine selling point. When most folk are "in the zone" they move at their own pace and make unconscious assumptions about others' knowledge & experience. Folk who don't are usually trained teachers of some sort or other. I suspect a review by other heads, during editing and before publishing, is something we should all employ.

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[quote=MusicStudent] a perceived slight or even the vaguest whiff of criticism

One of the difficulties is that old one of communication being 2/3 visual and text not showing the visual parts. It's alarmingly easy for the reader to perceive a different meaning to that intended by the writer. Even with a smiley emoticon, sometimes the emoticon is just seen as a 'false smile'.

I doubt there are any of us who don't see Henry's videos as a great contribution to BiaB.


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Getting back on point of the tutorial,

<< I read your comments and you made a fair point - the HOW wasn't obvious, the magic of the software across platforms is "deceptive" >>

'How' was explained step by step in the tutorial... Open midi - import the same midi file... How to do that was explained. Can we discuss your point to what is ambiguous to the instructions of 'how' to open and then import the same midi file?


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OK, you almost got me going again. I actually did have a sincere and valid point I wanted to make regarding the video. But I am still stinging from my rebute, so I won't be contributing to this topic again. It was never meant as a personnal attack and should not have turned into one. No emoticon.


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OK, you almost got me going again. I actually did have a sincere and valid point I wanted to make regarding the video. But I am still stinging from my rebute, so I won't be contributing to this topic again. It was never meant as a personnal attack and should not have turned into one. No emoticon.


You have every right and can benefit the forum by sharing your insight. Previous comments have been off-topic and violates Forum Rules. That said, this is an interesting topic and there are valid technical questions that solutions can be shared. Including your understanding and experience.

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Getting back on point of the tutorial,

<< I read your comments and you made a fair point - the HOW wasn't obvious, the magic of the software across platforms is "deceptive" >>

'How' was explained step by step in the tutorial... Open midi - import the same midi file... How to do that was explained. Can we discuss your point to what is ambiguous to the instructions of 'how' to open and then import the same midi file?


I was, referring to the acquisition of a MIDI file of a song in the how, that was addressed in subsequent comments but not in the video. Finding a decent arrangement of the song in a MIDI track is a far longer process that isn't addressed. The reason and matching of playing the Latinesque Real Tracks over the MIDI isn't explained etc. There's a lot left as assumed knowledge mate, a lot.
If that's all you have to make issue with Charlie then I'm fine with my comment.

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I'm fine with your comment. In fact, I'm glad that you made it. Thanks for responding.

I think this tutorial is an alternative to a tutorial Mr. Henry made back in January that a subsequent BIAB upgrade corrupted the process he demonstrated in that earlier tutorial. There were two issues with the earlier tutorial, first, there's a bug that caused the midi data to both copy to utility tracks by midi channel and remain on the Melody Track and that caused moving/copying midi to fail. Second, His earlier tutorial moved the Midi channels one at a time from the Melody Track to individual Utility Tracks which was time consuming. This tutorial introduced a faster, more efficient method and also bypasses the bug. The end result of both tutorials was a mixture of midi and RealTracks. He did mention he was responding to many emails he received in regard to both the earlier tutorial and the published version of the song that was released prior to him making this tutorial.


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I watched the earlier video, I'm no fool - I know there're things H.C. can offer, and learnt about the midi splitting thing which seems to be one of the aspects that was a problem, if I recall correctly. I was pleased to learn that piece of info even if it may be only temporarily useful.

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I watched the earlier video, I'm no fool - I know there're things H.C. can offer, and learnt about the midi splitting thing which seems to be one of the aspects that was a problem, if I recall correctly. I was pleased to learn that piece of info even if it may be only temporarily useful.


I agree. It's a bit surprising there's been no questions to why two instances of the midi file were used in the project. It's due to how BIAB addresses differently opening a midi file to how BIAB addresses importing a midi file.

Opening a midi file automatically loads all the midi file channels onto the Melody Track and assigns sequencer. Opening a midi file also automatically analyzes the chords and populates the Chord Chart. Opening populates the title, disables the BIAB current style, sets the start/end bars, sets the key signature and tempo.

Importing a midi file separates the midi channels and loads each of the song's channels onto individual utility Tracks. Importing a midi does not do any of the tasks that the Opening process does. So in the tutorial technique demonstrated in this video, a midi file must be opened first and then imported to work because only importing offers the option to select whether to import into the current project or start a new project.


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Did we lose focus?

The title is "Productive 10min with Henry Clark".

There was never a suggestion that this was going to be an in-depth training session, covering every minute aspect of BiaB music production, sourcing MIDI data or more. It was always meant to be what could be delivered in 10 minutes. Henry did exactly that.

And he didn't post it here to be critiqued or praised by us. He posted it on YouTube. And for all his efforts, he got jumped on, here.

Of course there would have had to be some assumptions made in the presentation that might require additional detail and analysis. The guy only demonstrated what he could show in 10 minutes.

Does anybody here really think that every possible detail of creating a complex and detailed cover could be provided in intimate detail in 10 minutes? Can anyone prove that this would be achievable?

Further discussion to request clarification of the methods would be far better than criticism because some part of the YouTube video wasn't obvious.

No confrontation intended. Let's please all take a reality check.


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Did we lose focus?

The title is "Productive 10min with Henry Clark".

There was never a suggestion that this was going to be an in-depth training session, covering every minute aspect of BiaB music production, sourcing MIDI data or more. It was always meant to be what could be delivered in 10 minutes. Henry did exactly that.

And he didn't post it here to be critiqued or praised by us. He posted it on YouTube. And for all his efforts, he got jumped on, here.

Of course there would have had to be some assumptions made in the presentation that might require additional detail and analysis. The guy only demonstrated what he could show in 10 minutes.

Does anybody here really think that every possible detail of creating a complex and detailed cover could be provided in intimate detail in 10 minutes? Can anyone prove that this would be achievable?

Further discussion to request clarification of the methods would be far better than criticism because some part of the YouTube video wasn't obvious.

No confrontation intended. Let's please all take a reality check.


Thanks "AudioTrack" for the kind explanation. I have since shut down the BIAB Tutorial portion of my channel. I had been contemplating this for a while because maintaining the channel had turned into a job (and I didn't want a job :-). However I have to be candid in that this last fiasco accelerated that decision so as of today all tutorials are no longer available to the public. Thanks again. Sincerely Henry

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Henry,

I often direct people to you videos rather than PGM's videos, because you present tasks in ways that are easy to understand and don't show all the minutiae and variations that PGM's videos have done, though they're improving that, I think.

A ten minute "how to do this" video was always going to leave stuff unclarified. If it hadn't, it would have been neither ten minutes, nor straight to the point.

IMHO, most of the observations in this thread have been just that -- observations -- not intended as criticisms.

I fully appreciate the "it's become a job" problem as I've been there many times.

I'll ask and hope you agree ... please restore the videos .. they are excellent and valued tutorials that I'm certain help many. And please, rather than quitting now, take a nice long sabbatical and think about that afterwards.

We really do very much appreciate what you've done and I'm absolutely certain that I'm not alone in feeling that. Thank you.

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Now nobody, including existing members, and newcomers, or anyone even outside of this forum including people searching for ideas on YouTube has a chance to experience the skill or the effort or can learn anything at all from that tutorial.

Let's reflect on how far we progressed and what was achieved: We started with something (not here but on a YouTube video), and some participants needed to contribute a lot of anti-sentiment, and, well, now we've all got nothing.

Great. Really, just great.

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Bummer. I watch the videos.

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Agree, the videos are helpful. Hopefully Henry will reconsider and re-instate them online for all to see and enjoy.


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Ah, the Autobahn...such a grand achievement...we should hail the administration that built it!

Look, it is decent video, & it has some issues, these were pointed out BUT Henry doesn't like any dissent from assumed omnipotence so, after insulting someone, he bit off his own nose to spite everyone's faces.
Henry posted another video about BIAB some time back and I congratulated him on it but made some suggestions about the editing & script to make it even better...he became very upset and resorted to insults as is his way.


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Henry! Seriously??? I was planning to spend some time this weekend going through this video. I found it very interesting and could steer me in some new directions. Please consider allowing access again to us user wanting to acquire some new skills and try new directions. Would greatly appreciate it.

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ALL TUTORIALS have been restored. I'll be taking a break for a while so I may not be very responsive to comments and questions but hopefully you will enjoy the tutorials and gain some practical knowledge. I will say that anything in my Tutorials are based on the way "I" do things. Of course there are always alternatives and if my Tutorials do not work for you that's ok. No harm done. You can always change the channel LOL

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