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Hi folks. I have an issue and was wondering how to resolve it.
I have biab 2023 installed on a 1tb SSD Sandisc external hd. I've NO space on my main HD left to run it so it has to be run externally.
My problem is that if I have to power off the imac ( Sonoma ), I have to reinstall all the RTs which is a real pain. Anyone got any idea how to solve this please ?.
Had most of the RT downloaded & installed, then it froze and I have to redownload EVERYTHING again. Drivin me mad.
Here's a copy of the fault log

panic(cpu 1 caller 0xfffffe00294a2770): watchdog timeout: no checkins from watchdogd in 183 seconds (1505 totalcheckins since monitoring last enabled), shutdown in progress, vfs shutdown not yet started
Debugger message: panic
Memory ID: 0x6
OS release type: User
OS version: 23A344
Kernel version: Darwin Kernel Version 23.0.0: Fri Sep 15 14:41:34 PDT 2023; root:xnu-10002.1.13~1/RELEASE_ARM64_T8103
Fileset Kernelcache UUID: 7CD3C0485714106B76F60CFF2DED0D9D
Kernel UUID: 9D9158F9-0E6D-30C0-BBA9-519175145599
Boot session UUID: 0FAB0D9E-2387-4AE4-9A43-D947A5943B49
iBoot version: iBoot-10151.1.1
secure boot?: YES
roots installed: 0
Paniclog version: 14
KernelCache slide: 0x000000002054c000
KernelCache base: 0xfffffe0027550000
Kernel slide: 0x0000000020554000
Kernel text base: 0xfffffe0027558000
Kernel text exec slide: 0x0000000021a48000
Kernel text exec base: 0xfffffe0028a4c000
mach_absolute_time: 0x5535702e8b
Epoch Time: sec usec
Boot : 0x652a5dd2 0x000a3e33
Sleep : 0x00000000 0x00000000
Wake : 0x00000000 0x00000000
Calendar: 0x652a995e 0x00077764

Zone info:
Zone map: 0xfffffe100c008000 - 0xfffffe300c008000
. VM : 0xfffffe100c008000 - 0xfffffe14d8cd4000
. RO : 0xfffffe14d8cd4000 - 0xfffffe167266c000
. GEN0 : 0xfffffe167266c000 - 0xfffffe1b3f338000
. GEN1 : 0xfffffe1b3f338000 - 0xfffffe200c004000
. GEN2 : 0xfffffe200c004000 - 0xfffffe24d8cd0000
. GEN3 : 0xfffffe24d8cd0000 - 0xfffffe29a599c000
. DATA : 0xfffffe29a599c000 - 0xfffffe300c008000
Metadata: 0xfffffe301c4ac000 - 0xfffffe30244ac000
Bitmaps : 0xfffffe30244ac000 - 0xfffffe3025a4c000
Extra : 0 - 0

CORE 0 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c
CORE 1 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf5840
CORE 2 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c
CORE 3 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c
CORE 4 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c
CORE 5 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c
CORE 6 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c
CORE 7 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c
TPIDRx_ELy = {1: 0xfffffe1b3f2f7030 0: 0x0000000000000001 0ro: 0x0000000000000000 }
CORE 0 PVH locks held: None
CORE 1 PVH locks held: None
CORE 2 PVH locks held: None
CORE 3 PVH locks held: None
CORE 4 PVH locks held: None
CORE 5 PVH locks held: None
CORE 6 PVH locks held: None
CORE 7 PVH locks held: None
CORE 0: PC=0xfffffe002a33ba64, LR=0xfffffe002a33ba08, FP=0xfffffe5d4c587cb0
CORE 1 is the one that panicked. Check the full backtrace for details.
CORE 2: PC=0xfffffe0028bf1f40, LR=0xfffffe0028bf1f3c, FP=0xfffffe5d4c2c7e80
CORE 3: PC=0xfffffe0028bf1f40, LR=0xfffffe0028bf1f3c, FP=0xfffffe5d4c33fe80
CORE 4: PC=0xfffffe0028adfc0c, LR=0xfffffe0028adfc08, FP=0xfffffe5d4be5bef0
CORE 5: PC=0xfffffe0028adfc0c, LR=0xfffffe0028adfc08, FP=0xfffffe5d4bccfef0
CORE 6: PC=0xfffffe0028bf1f40, LR=0xfffffe0028bf1f3c, FP=0xfffffe5d4b507e80
CORE 7: PC=0xfffffe0028adfc0c, LR=0xfffffe0028adfc08, FP=0xfffffe5d4be4fef0
Compressor Info: 0% of compressed pages limit (OK) and 7% of segments limit (OK) with 1 swapfiles and OK swap space
Total cpu_usage: 21058971
Thread task pri cpu_usage
0xfffffe1b3f0e3818 kernel_task 95 8715
0xfffffe1b3f2e7030 kernel_task 0 5049725
0xfffffe1b3f2f7030 kernel_task 0 5362305
0xfffffe1b3f0d7030 kernel_task 0 0
0xfffffe1b3f086848 kernel_task 0 2005601

Panicked task 0xfffffe200bfaf9b8: 0 pages, 473 threads: pid 0: kernel_task
Panicked thread: 0xfffffe1b3f2f7030, backtrace: 0xfffffe3a4e8fb860, tid: 376
lr: 0xfffffe0028aa5264 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fb8f0
lr: 0xfffffe0028bfd490 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fb910
lr: 0xfffffe0028bee4c8 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fb980
lr: 0xfffffe0028bec93c fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fba70
lr: 0xfffffe0028a53aa4 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fba80
lr: 0xfffffe0028aa4b44 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbe30
lr: 0xfffffe00292b5604 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbe50
lr: 0xfffffe00294a2770 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbec0
lr: 0xfffffe00294a2594 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbf00
lr: 0xfffffe002949fb88 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbf20
lr: 0xfffffe0029e171b0 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbfb0
lr: 0xfffffe00291e5838 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbfc0
lr: 0xfffffe0028befd4c fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbfe0
lr: 0xfffffe0028a53b18 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbff0
lr: 0xfffffe0028bf1f3c fp: 0xfffffe5d4bd9be80
lr: 0xfffffe0028adfc08 fp: 0xfffffe5d4bd9bef0
lr: 0xfffffe0028adfe20 fp: 0xfffffe5d4bd9bf20
lr: 0xfffffe0028a5ced8 fp: 0x0000000000000000
Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
com.apple.driver.AppleInterruptController(1.0d1)[670C3F2A-76C1-3FC4-AE16-6415B8680D41]@0xfffffe0029e142d0->0xfffffe0029e1802b
dependency: com.apple.driver.AppleARMPlatform(1.0.2)[46E2D12C-E153-3DD2-999C-FFF05EC8A75E]@0xfffffe002944bad0->0xfffffe002949e3b7
com.apple.driver.AppleARMWatchdogTimer(1.0)[A46D5618-0709-3ECE-990C-0ABF1944DE33]@0xfffffe002949e3c0->0xfffffe00294a385b
dependency: com.apple.driver.AppleARMPlatform(1.0.2)[46E2D12C-E153-3DD2-999C-FFF05EC8A75E]@0xfffffe002944bad0->0xfffffe002949e3b7

last started kext at 907586554: com.apple.filesystems.autofs 3.0 (addr 0xfffffe0027f21bd0, size 5912)
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furry, most likely what I say here will not be of much direct use but FWIW I'm running BiaB (as shipped from PGMusic) on an external drive with no problems.
Here's the rub . . . I'm on a Win 11 box.

Like Warren says, hopefully PG staff will respond with help.

Yeah I was running Win till last year. I got fed up of constant updates that always cocked something up so I moved to mac

I know this is anecdotal evidence, but a quick review of the latest posts here seem to show many more Mac related issues than Win related.
Could it be that BiaB harmonizes with Win machines better than Mac ? . . . Just a thought.

And yeah, Windows updates and security patches do happen frequently but usually overnight for me. The worst that has happened is whatever programs happen to be running get non-gracefully shut down. But lately I notice there are options to capture any work that wasn't saved; so all has been well.

it was their audio bugs I frequently got, and frequently had to wait ages for a fix

That is your problem. BIAB is not recommended for Sonoma yet and many have problems. Please don't post full crash reports here. If necessary, those can be sent to pGM Support.


You're wrong there. PG Music ships the higher versions on USB Drives—Audiophile comes on a USB 3.0 (aka 3.2 gen 1) HDD only. There is no problem running it from these drives after running the Installer for a few /Library/Application Support files.

The OP told us his problem in the first paragraph which is Sonoma. BIAB 2023 is not ready yet but it's been announced they are working on it..

At the risk of coming off a little cranky, there is no need to give us your resume with every post.

Ahhh, problem identified then....Sonoma. Guess I'll just wait a while. I was wondering why it wasn't installing the actual biab programme

If you've not contacted Support on this directly, do so. Perhaps you can get an advanced heads up on Build 707 which is supposed to be the one they're working on now.

I have contacted them but they never mentioned anything. I'll get some gen from Andrew on Monday

Hi Graham,
I don't understand this question. Having the entire program on a huge external SSD should work great. Also, the log you pasted in does not seem to have anything to do with Band-in-a-Box. There is a problem with the BiaB notation window on Sonoma as others have mentioned, but I don't know if that's what your question is.

Hi Andrew thanks for the post. Apologies for my late reply. My issue is that it won't stay on the HD if I have to remove it. I have to redownload. Just keeps giving me errors trying to install

What won't stay on the HD? What are you redownloading?

all the RTs. When I reconnect the HD I have to redownload for some odd reason. I DON'T have enough space in my main hd to install the main programme.
I use a 2tb normal hd. Only thing I havn't thought of is installing the whole programme onto my icloud drive. Is THAT a possibility ?

When you reconnect your HD, what makes you think you need to "redownload". Be very specific ... "i.e. because when I do this then this, this happens"

Files don't just disappear from a HD for no reason. And no, leave icloud out of this for sure.

OK, thanks....I've got all the rts installed in a new 2TB HD. Every time I've installed the RTs I have to re-install them after removing the HD.
Maybe I could have you take control and do a session that way if that'd be suitable sometime ?
Meantime I've cleared enough space on my main drive to run the programme and am now
downloading the RTs onto my new 2tb ext hd. I'll see how that goes

ok, that's a good start. It gets to 80% downloaded then sign comes up saying interrupted

So, do you have Band-in-a-Box installed on this new 2 TB hard drive then?
You need to stop downloading files that you already have and figure out what's going on.

I'm stumped Andrew, It keeps getting interrupted trying to download. I've deleted all the downloaded RTs. in case there was a problem with the install manager. So, it's a case of starting from scratch again.
Only difference being I've got the main programme running from my main drive if that makes sense ?

Let's distinguish between the downloaded installer packages, and the installed RealTracks content.

Download installer packages
The download installers are realtracks*.pkg files, about 15 or so of them, ranging from 5-40 GB each, that will normally be found in whatever location you chose as your "Download Location" in the Install Manager. The only reason you wouldn't find them there, is if you had the option to "automatically remove downloads once installed" checked. If you have this checked, you should uncheck it.

Installed RealTracks content
These are files in your Band-in-a-Box folder (and RealTracks folder). There are several different types of files for Drums and RealTracks, but some of the main files include R*.st2 files in the Band-in-a-Box/Soloists folder, and files and folders in the Band-in-a-Box/RealTracks folder. The "RealTracks" folder can be quite large because it contains the audio data (.m4a or .aiff files). For this reason, there is a setting in Band-in-a-Box that allows you to store your RealTracks folder on a different hard drive (volume). In other words you are allowed to have your RealTracks folder located somewhere outside your Band-in-a-Box folder. If you are installing a Band-in-a-Box package with the Install Manager you can specify the location of your Band-in-a-Box folder and you can specify the location of your RealTracks folder.

Running Band-in-a-Box and choosing your RealTracks folder
You run Band-in-a-Box by double-clicking on the "Band-in-a-Box.app", located in your Band-in-a-Box folder. /Applications/Band-in-a-Box/Band-in-a-Box.app. Since the default location of your RealTracks folder is IN your Band-in-a-Box folder, that's where Band-in-a-Box will initially be looking for RealTracks. IF you have RealTracks folder in a different location, then you will need to specify that location in the RealTracks Preferences.

Moving Band-in-a-Box from one hard drive to another
A complete Band-in-a-Box UltraPAK install is about 170 GB. If you currently have Band-in-a-Box on your internal hard drive and it's working fine but you want to move it to an external hard drive (which is plugged into the same computer), there is an easy way you can do this. Just create an /Applications folder on the external, and copy the Band-in-a-Box folder from the Applications folder on the internal to the newly created Applications folder on the external - just copy, paste, and wait.

So now that we're on the same page, for your specific situation, you need to:

1. Decide where you want Band-in-a-Box installed. In my opinion, you should put the entire Band-in-a-Box folder on one of your external drives, then there is no confusion about where the various parts are.

2. Now that you've decided that, you need to figure out where you stand. Do you have Band-in-a-Box installed ANYWHERE already? As a sanity check, select each of your Band-in-a-Box folders on your SSD, your 2 TB HDD, and your internal HD, and Get Info (Command+I) on each. What is the size of each? Any of them close to 170 GB, or in the ballpark?

Why don't you reply with the sizes and we'll go from there.

Right, thanks Andrew. ALL biab files have been deleted from my main hd. I'm now downloading the main programme again into it's own 2TB hd where nothing else will go

Ahhh, should I download the latest build first ?

So you have "nothing anywhere"? Starting from scratch?

Well you should have the latest build of the Install Manager - confirm 1.0.75 (Help | About). I suggest that you uncheck the box "Automatically install downloaded files". That way you can do this in two steps to eliminate any confusion about what's not working. Let me know when the download's finished.

Sorry just home after being out stargazing. It failed both trying the install manager AND the manual download from this website.

What file? What is the error? If you lost your internet connection while downloading which might be what is happening, you should still be able to resume. The Install Manager supports resuming interrupted downloads. Does the file have a "Resume" button beside it?

Yes there is a resume button. We have a very stable connection here Andrew. Our download speed seldom drops below 900mbps.
wonder would a HD from yourselves work ?
The full programme IS on the HD but it just won't install

I have the hard drive you sent me with this years programme on it. It said trying to start it that it's not compatable with the mac os at the mmoment and needs an update.

Downloaded & installed build 706 into your own hard drive and it runs fine, apart from the notation that is.