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Originally Posted by dcuny
I don't think it was the libs who put their spin on the phrase "What did you put in that drink" - it was the people who drugged and raped people.
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Originally Posted by eddie1261
On a similar but dissimilar topic, did you ever listen to the lyrics in Carrie Underwood's "Before He Cheats" closely? I was working with a band fronted by a girl who wanted to do that song. I refused to be part of it because it praises the act of domestic violence of the character ruining a guy's car with a baseball bat because he cheated. The way you handle cheating is leaving the situation, not violence. The debate got heated, and I ended up leaving the band before I would be part of promoting domestic violence by playing that song. Those lyrics don't just tell the story, they actually validate the act. I am not going to send a message like that....

You know...

Tracy Lauren Marrow (Ice T) never really advocated the murder of police officers.

Jus' sayin'.

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I am certainly no prude and there are some creepy songs out there. My wife and I have a category of songs we call stalker songs. There is someone, walking behind you, turn around, look its me. I mean really.

Is "Every Breath You Take" in there? THAT was literally a stalking song.

Absolutely is. There are many of them.

As to the topic. How about Every Rose Has It's Thorn? Definitely a Rock Ballad.


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You guys are killin me with this spin...

How about Johnny Cash's "But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die":... Not a very pretty picture there.


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Originally Posted by MusicStudent
You guys are killin me with this spin...
Just curious what you mean by spin?


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Originally Posted by MusicStudent
You guys are killin me with this spin...
Just curious what you mean by spin?

Thread drift, what did you think I meant?


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Yeah. Johnny Cash certainly had his issues but he never shot anyone in Reno or anywhere else for that matter.


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Good grief Charlie Brown...they are fictional songs!

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Originally Posted by MusicStudent
Thread drift, what did you think I meant?

The term spin can mean different things. I want sure what you meant, so tight I would ask to clarify.

Fwiw, I wouldn't have guessed you meant that drift, so I'm glad I asked 🙂

I was the one that probably created the drift in response to the song Eddie/the OP mentioned. I like the song just wasn't a fan of the specifics of how it came about. That comment took on a life of it's own.

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Originally Posted by JohnJohnJohn
Good grief Charlie Brown...they are fictional songs!
Mostly, yes.


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Originally Posted by MusicStudent
You guys are killin me with this spin...
How about Johnny Cash's "But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die":... Not a very pretty picture there.
Yep, and it ignores the part about objecting to songs that advocate violence.

According to Cash, this is how he came up with the line:
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Cash recounted how he came up with the line "But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die": "I sat with my pen in my hand, trying to think up the worst reason a person could have for killing another person, and that's what came to mind."

You could argue that the cheering prisoners after Cash sang that line were advocating violence, but that didn't actually happen:
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According to Michael Streissguth, the cheering from the audience following the line "But I shot a man in Reno / just to watch him die" was added in post-production. According to a special feature on the DVD release of the 2005 biopic Walk the Line, the prisoners avoided cheering at any of Cash's comments about the prison itself, fearing reprisal from guards.

Since I'm deep into trivial I'll note that Cash didn't write the opening lines of the song, the melody of the song, and a quite a number of other lines. They were lifted from Gordon Jenkin's Crescent City Blues. That ended up costing Cash $75,000 in payment to Jenkins. Mind you, Cash never really claimed he wrote it:
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So, how did this very liberal appropriation come to pass? Well, Cash was rattling off some tunes in an audition/recording session when Sun Records founder Sam Phillips thought his ears had just detected a hit. Cash promptly informed him that he had merely tweaked a track from 1953, and Phillips assured him that a ‘tweak’ was enough.

Cash later honestly stated: “At the time, I really had no idea I would be a professional recording artist; I wasn’t trying to rip anybody off.” His stance was simply that he had essentially upscaled an old cover like an endless stream of folk artists in every bar ever.

But back to power ballads... Does Harry Nilsson's "Without You" count? Because that song is awesome.

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The spin , really, came when Eddie made his comment about "libs"...he span the topic from power ballad to lib/woke/cancel culture. Before that it was a vague drift into a song's underlying narrative. A few people, myself included, responded as is appropriate.
Nilsson's Without You is, I would argue, a power ballad though the power comes from strings & his wonderful voice. It ought to have been a power ballad when Badfinger 1st recorded it but they seemed to have seen it "just a ballad" and their version is rather bland & lacks dynamics. Dynamics - the power of a power ballad?
Creepy ,(power), ballads n pop:
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The Union gap - Young Girl
Nominally Sonny Boy Williamson - Good Morning Little School Girl.
Neil Sadaka - Happy Birthday sweet sixteen
The Knack - My Sharona
Dragon - Are You Old Enough?
Dave Edmunds - Not A Woman Not A Child.
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The spin , really, came when Eddie made his comment about "libs"...he span the topic from power ballad to lib/woke/cancel culture. Before that it was a vague drift into a song's underlying narrative. A few people, myself included, responded as is appropriate.
That's more what I was thinking when the term "spin" was used. I was just looking to clarify. Apparently that wasn't the intent. I can honestly say that I wouldn't have guessed the meaning to be what it was.

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Nilsson's Without You is, I would argue, a power ballad though the power comes from strings & his wonderful voice. It ought to have been a power ballad when Badfinger 1st recorded it but they seemed to have seen it "just a ballad" and their version is rather bland & lacks dynamics. Dynamics - the power of a power ballad?
Another version of this song that I enjoy is Mariah Carey's. If you haven't heard it, give it a listen. I would be curious your take. smile

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Creepy ,(power), ballads n pop:
Chicago
The Union gap - Young Girl
Nominally Sonny Boy Williamson - Good Morning Little School Girl.
Neil Sadaka - Happy Birthday sweet sixteen
The Knack - My Sharona
Dragon - Are You Old Enough?
Dave Edmunds - Not A Woman Not A Child.
etc.
Agreed these border on that. For me, I'm not familiar with the stories behind them. I can't overly comment without context...and I'm not thinking I will research it that much. It's not the 16 part of it that ever bothers me, as long as it's made up and has a decent meaning to it. With Benny, it was specifically his age and the age of an ACTUAL person he wrote it about being 16.
It's kind of like for me, ok you wrote a song about some made up 16 year old and you're in your thirties. A little creepy, but whatever.
A different guy in his 30's has a short conversation with a 16 year old girl in a miniskirt named Heidi. You are actually told to leave her alone. None of that made up. Then he decides to write a song about his experience to send a message to her. Higher creepy level for me. MUCH higher. All my opinion. I do take into account it was different times as well. I truly try not to overly judge people of a time by today's standards.

Thanks for your contributions to the thread Ray. Always insightful and appreciated! smile Since this is online, I want to be clear that I'm not being sarcastic. smile


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