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Longing For The Lotus

I've always loved traditional Asian music, particularly Japanese and Chinese. To me, it always sounds very emotional. So, I thought I'd try out BIAB's new Chinese RTs, and this is what I came up with. I tried to keep it as true as possible to the traditional style, with just the few instrument choices available. I did use a barely audible drum track from BIAB. The Dream.STY was the closest style I could find for a starting point. I removed everything, other than the drum track and bass line, and replaced the removed tracks with the ones annotated below.

It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I really enjoy this style. BIAB opens so many musical doors that I would never have thought to compose in. Is this marvelous software - or what? I voter for marvelous.

The Lotus is a floating flower that's held in special esteem in China, particularly in Southeast China. They believe it holds the secrets to rebirth and aspiration.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,

Alan



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Key=C , Tempo 70, Length (m:s)=2:58

Style is _DREAMT.STY (Dreamt Country Folk Ballad)

RealTracks in style: 3121:Bass, Acoustic, PopHalfNotesPush Ev 085
RealTracks in song: 4567:Dizi Flute, Background CalmingMelodic ev 065
RealTracks in song: 4566:Guzheng, Background CalmingMelodic ev16 065
RealTracks in song: 4381:Erhu, Background SimplePentatonic Ev 060
MIDI SuperTracks in song: 4688:Synth, Pad, SynthmasterDistantGalaxy
RealDrums in style:NashvilleBrushesBalladPushEv16: a: Sidestick, Brushes b: Brushes
Taiko drum (the very deep sound at the beginning of most measures) is part of the Synthmaster Distant Galaxy Pad

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Alan,

Beautiful, contemplative and mysterious... A really superb piece of music. Love this blend of tracks.

This mix is great - everything has it's space and works perfectly together.

Excellent!

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Alan, this sounds VERY cool! I know nothing about this style of Asian music except that I like it. Am looking forward to exploring these and other new world RealTracks when 2024 arrives...


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Originally Posted by rsdean
Alan,

Beautiful, contemplative and mysterious... A really superb piece of music. Love this blend of tracks.

This mix is great - everything has it's space and works perfectly together.

Excellent!

Bob

Hi Bob,

Thank you very much! In my opinion, many of the Asian slower songs have somewhat of a mysterious sound. And I love it! I'm delighted you enjoyerd your listen.

Merry Christmas,

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Originally Posted by DC Ron
Alan, this sounds VERY cool! I know nothing about this style of Asian music except that I like it. Am looking forward to exploring these and other new world RealTracks when 2024 arrives...

HI Ron,

Thanks for dropping in for a listen. I've been exposed to a fair amount of Asian music. But I I didn't have any technical knowledge about it. I just knew that it appealed to me.

Before I wrote this one, and another one I'll post later, I did 6 or 8 hours of research and actually learned a little bit about it. It's usually in the pentatonic scale. Interestingly, I learned that Asian music typically has no chord pattern as chords aren't acknowledged - just wherever the song melody leads, irrespective of linear pattern. That's not true of most modern Asian music but holds true for nearly 100& of traditional music.

If you've not listened to them, you might want to check out The Waggaki Band from Japan. They take traditional Japanese music - and poems - and give them a modern treatment, usually a Jazz-Rock makeover. They're a great band, in my opinion. If interested, here are a couple of links to their music:

1.
(Synchronicity)
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(Doppo)
3. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/wagakki-band-homura-akatsuki-no-ito-1st-japan-tour-2015-hibiya-yagai-ongakudo-youtube--312718767880466952/

That last one is pretty wild - there are two songs. the guitar player (Machya) is mind-blowing!

Anyway, thanks a bunch for the visit and kind words.

Merry Christmas,

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Alan!! I'm freaking out. Seems Soundcloud is done --get a 502 error. I'll be back. Couldn't find it on your website either. I'm intriqgues by the title and the comments.


Enjoy whatever happens!
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Always cool to see folks doing new stuff.
Sounds to these Western ears that you did a good job with the new instruments.

The Erhu becomes tiring to me ear after a while. But that might be because it's not a sound or style that I would listen to.
(I actually have 2 Erhus that my wife carried back from a trip to China - decades ago. They hang on my wall. I've never even Tried to play them. I had to look up the instruments in your list to even know they were called that)

Mix is good. Of course.
And, as always, your instrumental has good structure.

Okay...let's see you use all those new Metal tracks for an instrumental!
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Originally Posted by BabuMusic
Alan!! I'm freaking out. Seems Soundcloud is done --get a 502 error. I'll be back. Couldn't find it on your website either. I'm intriqgues by the title and the comments.


HI Marty,

I just clicked the link, and it took me to the song. If you would, please try again and let me know what happens.

Also, I should be done with your book in the next few days. I've been slow reading it, but it won't be long until the last chapter.

Let me know about the link.

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As a teenager most figured I'm just the weird kid because i had albums like this. Well, okay, those albums weren't as good as this, but it was all that was available before the stoner age. I found it the best style to tell a story, and you've written a very intriguing story with this one, Alan. Man, this is such a delight. I didn't notice this style in Biab, but you are absoluetly right about how much fun it is to compose so easily in so many different music rooms with this program. I'll use the word ineffable when describing the BiaB experience.


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Alan, thanks for the detailed notes on your research and supporting links! Will certainly check that out...


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Originally Posted by floyd jane
Always cool to see folks doing new stuff.
Sounds to these Western ears that you did a good job with the new instruments.

The Erhu becomes tiring to me ear after a while. But that might be because it's not a sound or style that I would listen to.
(I actually have 2 Erhus that my wife carried back from a trip to China - decades ago. They hang on my wall. I've never even Tried to play them. I had to look up the instruments in your list to even know they were called that)

Mix is good. Of course.
And, as always, your instrumental has good structure.

Okay...let's see you use all those new Metal tracks for an instrumental!
smile

fj


HI Floyd,

Well, as I said, it's not everyone's cup of tea! But i appreciate you listening anyway and the nice comments.

You have 2 Erhus? I don't think I've ever heard someone say that before!

The only place I've been to in China is Hong Kong - when the British still administered it. I wouldn't mind visiting the interior sometime. I'd better hurry, though - I'm getting pretty old!

The new metal tracks, huh? I'll take that as a challenge. It's not a favored genre for me, but I'll work on it and see what happens.

Best to you.

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Originally Posted by BabuMusic
As a teenager most figured I'm just the weird kid because i had albums like this. Well, okay, those albums weren't as good as this, but it was all that was available before the stoner age. I found it the best style to tell a story, and you've written a very intriguing story with this one, Alan. Man, this is such a delight. I didn't notice this style in Biab, but you are absoluetly right about how much fun it is to compose so easily in so many different music rooms with this program. I'll use the word ineffable when describing the BiaB experience.


Hey Marty,

Thanks for the 2nd effort - glad it worked this time!

You are much too kind with your words, and I appreciate it very much! And yes,most traditional asian music is based on folklore, handed-down stories, centuries-old poems, etc - all of which have a story.

And yeah - BIAB is pretty coll!

Many thanks, my friend. I wish you everything good.

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Originally Posted by DC Ron
Alan, thanks for the detailed notes on your research and supporting links! Will certainly check that out...


You are welcome! Hope you enjoy the music they lead you to.

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Hi Alan.

This is excellent listening. Really excellent. I love what you've created.
Right now, I'm sitting here thinking about how it's so inspiring to be presented new ideas like these ones of yours.
Thank you for those video clips, too smile
Over the last few years, I've watched many Chinese drama series and I love the music.
The pentatonic scale has a distinctly oriental flavour. Especially when when used in it's minor form.
As the video below shows, it's easy to hear a pentatonic scale because it sounds quite unique.
You've inspired me to try my hand at using it.

I thought you might like having a listen to the music below. It has both classical and modern elements (in vocals and instruments) and is distinctly Chinese.

Painted Heart (from Love in Flames of War)

Thank you for the listening joy that this song of yours brought my way!
--Noel

P.S. I wish you and Di the very best for Christmas and New Year.

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Noel ...

Thank you so much for those encouraging and thoughtful comments. Your comments always give me additional inspiration to keep on going with my music creation. The music keeps me going when the going isn't all that smooth. For that, I'll always be grateful.

I don't know many of the technical aspects of music creation. I have a good ability to make things work - at least I think I do - without knowing all the hows and whys. I just indigenously know they work. I don't appreciably read or write notation. When I go over to the other forums in which the technical aspects of the music arena is under discussion, I am almost always completely lost - literally have no idea what is being written about. I guess I find enough satisfaction in my efforts because of something my grandfather once told me: I rather be able to do and not be able to explain it than to be able to explain without being able to do it.

I listened to and watched the link you provided. That was pretty awesome for me! the vocalist had such a pure voice. And the melding of the old and new was perfectly executed. I have already created another tune using those same instruments as i used with this one - but with relatively full orchestration' I'll be posting it in a week or two. If interested, here's a preview:

https://soundcloud.com/alananddi/whispering-asia

I'm glad you enjoyed the link to The Waggaki Band. I've been following them for about three years.

Again, thank you so much.. Wishing you and yours the best Christmas ever.

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Sounds good!

Of course, "Longing for the Lotus" has a drug meaning, as the blue lotus has mind altering effects, and the Homer's lotus eaters were in a "state of dreamy forgetfulness and idleness as a result of eating the fruit of the lotus plant."


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Great venture into what is assuredly for us the unknown!

So many adjectives ... moody, sublime, mysterious, contemplative and more.

Nicely mixed and an adventure for you and your listeners.

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Originally Posted by Al-David
I have already created another tune using those same instruments as i used with this one - but with relatively full orchestration' I'll be posting it in a week or two. If interested, here's a preview:

https://soundcloud.com/alananddi/whispering-asia

Alan

My gosh, Alan. "Whispering Asia" is beautiful. It's really well-crafted and was the perfect start to my Sunday here in Australia.
You've got quite a knack for using these instruments.

I don't know if it interests you, but I recently posted a video clip of a medley from the Phantom Of The Opera that uses classical Chinese instruments (with a hint of western orchestral backing here and there). If you are feeling adventurous and would like to listen to it, the link to the "Best of Youtube" post here on the PG Forums is below...

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=789461#Post789461

Thank you for sharing your latest creation before it's official release!

All the best to you and Di!
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Fantastic!!!! Sounds like a movie score!!! The solo track is panned left. I think it could be center, a bit quieter and a bit wetter.....just a thought. The composition is gorgeous!!! Take care. Greg

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Always pleasure to hear that there are new BIAB world instruments and how they are used in your capable hands. Mesmerising mood, a very good counterweight to contemporary pop songs. This and your another one Whispering Asia are great introduction to these RTs and I hope to hear more this kind of songs from you and other forum members, hopefully inspiring also myself (although I probably wouldn't/couldn't use those RTs in a traditional way like you have excelled).

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