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Dragonflies

Your head on my shoulder, the sheets on the floor
Remember the days before the storm?
What felt like forever would soon slip away
A love that walked right out the door

And in the end, though we said we'd still be friends
it just wouldn't work the way

   I still see dragonflies in summer skies
   Close your eyes, close your eyes

A little bit older then we were before
I wonder if you might miss those days
The long lazy mornings, our tangled silk nights
How did we ever lose our way?

And in the end, though we said we'd still be friends
it just wouldn't work the way

   I still see dragonflies in summer skies
   Close your eyes, close your eyes

I'll keep on dreaming, though I'll never get one more day with you

   I still see dragonflies in summer skies
   Close your eyes, close your eyes
   I still see dragonflies in summer skies
   Close your eyes, close your eyes


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1533:Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm PopPowerPushArp Ev 120
2935:Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm FolkPulse8thsFintan Ev 110
2719:Guitar, Nylon, Fingerpicking CountryBrent Ev 120
1681:Guitar, 12-String Acoustic, Fingerpicking Ev 120
3707:Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm 90sAcRockArpPick Ev 120
2452:String Quartet, Rhythm PopSwingHall Sw 110
RealDrums in style:NashvilleEven8^2-a:Sidestick, HiHat , b:Snare, HiHat

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Backing Vocal: SynthesizerV (Feng Yi), GregWells VoiceCentric (Backing Vocal), Pana, Abbey Roads Plate (Warm Voice)
Drum: RealTracks, EZMix2 (Room 2)
Bass: RealTracks
Piano: RealTracks, TrackSpacer (vocal), ReaEQ (No Mud), Pana (Piano)
Guitar1: RealTracks, TrackSpacer (vocal), ReaEQ (No Mud), Pana, Abbey Roads Plate (Acoustic Guitar 1)
Guitar2: RealTracks, TrackSpacer (vocal), ReaEQ (No Mud), Pana, Abbey Roads Plate (Acoustic Guitar 1)
Guitar3: RealTracks, TrackSpacer (vocal), ReaEQ (No Mud), Pana, Abbey Roads Plate (Acoustic Guitar 1)
String Quartet: RealTracks, Pana, Abbey Road Plate (Strings 1)

Edit 1: I fixed the glitch with the piano, and some phonemes in the harmony.
Edit 1: Manually balanced the vocal, extended the ending so it's not so abrupt.

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As usual, any comments are appreciated.

I've still got a cold and COVID, so I haven't been feeling much like making music. But I had started feeling better, so figured I should take advantage of the three-day weekend and force myself to do something.

I was thinking about "Looks Like Rain" that Greg Johnson had recently posted, and figured I'd do something sort of James Taylor-ish. The _ASPEN demo had a bit of a Jackson Browne feel, so I went with that but changed the key and chords.

I set the song form and imported it into SynthesizerV to work out the melody. I don't think it sounded much like James Taylor or Jackson Browne, but I went with it anyway. I had recently purchased the Oscar voice, so I used him on the lead vocal.

Fortunately, I didn't have to change the key of the song to fit Oscar's voice. That's actually one of the nice things about using BiaB - if I've got to change the key of the song, it's super-easy... as long as I do it before moving everything into the DAW.

The next day I sat down and forced myself to write something, and got the first couple of lines. I tried to come up with some sort of imagery, but... nope. I'm not even sure there's much of a rhyme scheme, but I used alliteration to make up for that.

At least I snuck a bit of imagery into the chorus. wink

Once the first verse was written, the second verse was a straightforward. That only left the bridge, which I avoided working on by working out the counter-line instead. That's still the most fun part for me, puzzling out an interesting secondary line. Fortunately, synthetic voices are patient in that regard, and more rewarding than MIDI notes.

Once I finished up with that, I worked out some notes for the bridge, put in the first words that came to mind, and called it done.

I probably should have finessed the vocal a bit, but I liked the way it was sung, so I left it "As Is". I may go back later and play with it a bit.

I'd rendered out a whole bunch of instruments in BiaB - fiddle, mandolin, lead guitar - with the intent of putting them in somewhere, but none of them fit. Fortunately, the string quartet fit under the bridge, and then I worked from there to bring various instruments in and out to give some flow to the arrangement.

The drums felt a bit sluggish, so I nudged them forward a bit. I did the same with the guitars so they would hit the beat a bit better.

I had intended to perhaps work out a guitar intro for the song - and I still might - because the piano intro is a bit glitchy. But I figured it was "good enough", and left it in for now. For now, it's all BiaB.

I'd recently picked up Pana, which is a panning VST from Klevgrand. I threw it on most of the tracks to see if I liked it better than the Panagement VST, which I usually use to place instruments into a more "real" space. I was going to buy the Valhalla VintageVerb and play with that, but I was in a hurry so I used the Abbey Road plate instead. Hopefully everything isn't soaked in reverb.

My ears are still congested, so I'm not sure how good the mix is. And I'll normally go through the vocal and hand-edit it and normalize it. But once I start working on that, it can take hours. I'll probably go back and clean it up more in the future, so feel free to make suggestions.


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Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?
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I can empathize about the C19 drain on creativity.
This is a lovely production with a sweet melody.
ReaEQ Mudfree is a very useful preset.
The bass may be a bit boomy in parts - I'm using a different DAC so can't be 100% certain.


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David, this is a super pop song. Great hook that will stay in my head all day. The vocals are amazing and so real with the independent harmony instead of a third above or below. The mix is stellar. I loved the lyrics and pretty much everything else. I am very impressed and this is surely among your best, Tom

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David,

What a great pop song. These vocals are astounding. You have a way of bringing out a very nuanced performance from them.

Blown away...

Bob

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Lovely pop song. Good job with the voices. The lyrics take it over the top, for me. Bravo.

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Hi dcuny,
Nice melody. Your vocal synthesizer is perfect. The female voice is well arranged in relation to your melody. Pleasant arrangement.

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David, this is an outstanding pop song.
Great hook!
Super use of the synth voices - they sound so real!
Great mix.
One of your best.


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Hi, Ray.
Originally Posted by rayc
I can empathize about the C19 drain on creativity.
I think I'm finally coming round, although I suspect this cough and congestion is going to stick around for a couple weeks. Fortunately, the other symptoms are relatively mild.

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This is a lovely production with a sweet melody.
Thanks! smile

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ReaEQ Mudfree is a very useful preset.
Yeah, as a rule I should throw it on just about everything, but sometimes I forget.

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The bass may be a bit boomy in parts - I'm using a different DAC so can't be 100% certain.
I'll have my bass player son have a listen. I trust his ears on all things bass.

Thanks for listening and commenting! smile


-- David Cuny
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Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?
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Hi, Tom.

Originally Posted by tommyad
David, this is a super pop song. Great hook that will stay in my head all day. The vocals are amazing and so real with the independent harmony instead of a third above or below. The mix is stellar.
Thanks! smile

There's still a lot of things the synth vocals can't do, but for the stuff they can, they just keep getting better.

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I loved the lyrics and pretty much everything else. I am very impressed and this is surely among your best,
Thanks also for mentioning the lyrics! I'm still trying to figure out what "works", so I'm glad they did here. smile


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Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?
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Hi, Bob.

Originally Posted by rsdean
What a great pop song. These vocals are astounding. You have a way of bringing out a very nuanced performance from them.
Thanks!

"Pop" is something that I find elusive, so it's good to hear I'm making progress in that direction.

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Blown away...
You're too kind! blush

Thanks for listening and commenting!


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Hi, James.

Originally Posted by musician17
Lovely pop song. Good job with the voices.
Thanks! Once I've got the melody line in, working out a harmony is the fun part. No doubt I overdo it.

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The lyrics take it over the top, for me. Bravo.
I'm glad the lyrics work! Thanks for listening. smile


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Hi, Derochette.

Originally Posted by Derochette
Nice melody. Your vocal synthesizer is perfect. The female voice is well arranged in relation to your melody. Pleasant arrangement.
Pleasant is what I was aiming for, so I'm glad it worked for you.

Thanks for the kind words. smile


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Hi, Mario.

Originally Posted by MarioD
David, this is an outstanding pop song.
Thanks! smile

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Great hook!
Super use of the synth voices - they sound so real!
Great mix.
Well... thanks again!


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David, joyous tune for sure! Never would have guessed you are under the weather from how peppy your song is. Hope you are 100% soon just the same.

Funny, but I don't hear a pop song, but I DO hear a show tune. I can see the staging and choreography in my mind. The way the vocals weave in and out of each other is very cool, and the vocalists sound very into it. A very vivid production for me, and I enjoyed it a lot.

Thanks for your detailed description. I shake my head after reading because you always make the end results sound effortless despite the obvious labor involved.


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Your songs are always so well done.
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Nicely done, David!

Love the vocals, especially when you bring in the female. Harmonies are outstanding!

Good pop song, nice hook. One of your best I think.

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Sounds like something out of a Disney movie, but in a good way.
I love those harmonies and the arrangement in general.
Nice work.

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Hi David,
That's a very good song!
I never thought that a virtual voice could sound as well like a real voice.
Kudos to you.

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Hi, Ron.

Originally Posted by DC Ron
David, joyous tune for sure! Never would have guessed you are under the weather from how peppy your song is. Hope you are 100% soon just the same.
Thanks! Yes, I'm getting better, thanks for the positive thoughts.

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Funny, but I don't hear a pop song, but I DO hear a show tune. I can see the staging and choreography in my mind. The way the vocals weave in and out of each other is very cool, and the vocalists sound very into it. A very vivid production for me, and I enjoyed it a lot.
That's the "problem" with interweaving the second vocal - it becomes part of the song, instead of a background accompaniment. I was tempted to turn it into a duet by having the singers trade off a couple of the lines, but decided to leave it "As Is". Maybe I'll do that anyway later, just to see how it works.

So you're right about that, even thought that wasn't the original intent.

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Thanks for your detailed description. I shake my head after reading because you always make the end results sound effortless despite the obvious labor involved.
Well, it is labor, but it's enjoyable to have the song come together as it's being worked on. It's sort of like magic - just the same way that BiaB will come up with a solo. Sure, it requires some work, but it's a lot easier than singing it myself. wink

This was a relatively quick song for me - I got it "done" in two days, which is fast for me. Of course, I spent all last evening tweaking the final mix, but that doesn't count! wink

Thanks for stopping by and commenting!


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Hi, Laurent.
Originally Posted by laurent4114
Your songs are always so well done.
Thanks! smile


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