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Re: Midi Fast Track Learning MarioD #772006 07/25/23 12:42 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,285 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,285 Hamlin NY	Here is a better pic 1 Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) pic 1a.jpg (528.86 KB, 7 downloads) Principal: Your child always causes trouble in school. Me: My child causes trouble at home, do I ever call you? 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Oom Karel #772039 07/25/23 08:40 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,142 Essex England Bob Calver Veteran
Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,142 Essex England	Have a look at my post and the BIAB FAQ that deals with midi. That should have been the first place to visit.

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Bob Calver #772048 07/26/23 02:28 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,285 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,285 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Bob Calver Have a look at my post and the BIAB FAQ that deals with midi. That should have been the first place to visit. Yes bob, you are correct. Principal: Your child always causes trouble in school. Me: My child causes trouble at home, do I ever call you? 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Oom Karel #772071 07/26/23 05:08 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,725 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,725 Middlesex, NC	So, I opened BB and had my midi keyboard turned on with it's sound turned off. I played a few notes and heard the piano. All good. I observer the following on the screen. THRU on the mixer screen was showing me activity. So.. I right clicked on THRU and a new window opened. It had 4 options. The bottom one is SELECT MIDI INSTRUMENT (patch) Clicking on that one gave me a new drop down with a variety of options. Near the middle of the list was favorite patches. One of those was Muted trumpet and below that was Tenor sax. Clicking on those gave me that instrument immediately. I did a screenshot with my camera and attached it as a file you should be able to open. https://app.box.com/s/4wqc0l7kt6s1ueuwoh2sd10szc4vwj07 You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Oom Karel #772096 07/26/23 11:02 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,969 Winston Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,969 Winston Salem, NC USA	+++ HERE +++ is a link to the first of six MIDI video tutorials. They are each less than 10 minutes long and explain midi clearly and concisely. A PG Music tutorial you may find useful is +++ HERE +++ It's called MIDI in a nutshell. Jim Fogle - 2026 BiaB (Build 1224) RB (Build 7) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Byron Dickens #772098 07/26/23 11:14 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,623 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Veteran
Gordon Scott Veteran Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,623 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted By: Byron Dickens Originally Posted By: MarioD One would have assumed by this he already had at least some basics down. Yeah. You would think. Apparently not, judging from his posts. The catch is that the OP may know too little about MIDI to know how best to phrase the post. I think the post was a little unclear for that reason and we perhaps presumed too much. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Oom Karel #772099 07/26/23 11:57 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 621 Hockley, TX B Byron Dickens Journeyman
Byron Dickens Journeyman B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 621 Hockley, TX	How does one eat an elephant? One bite at a time. Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Gordon Scott #772114 07/26/23 01:27 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,285 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,285 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Gordon Scott Originally Posted By: Byron Dickens Originally Posted By: MarioD One would have assumed by this he already had at least some basics down. Yeah. You would think. Apparently not, judging from his posts. The catch is that the OP may know too little about MIDI to know how best to phrase the post. I think the post was a little unclear for that reason and we perhaps presumed too much. I know that I did! Principal: Your child always causes trouble in school. Me: My child causes trouble at home, do I ever call you? 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Oom Karel #772126 07/26/23 10:52 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,142 Essex England Bob Calver Veteran
Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,142 Essex England	I've just posted 'Are RTs killing midi' in the BIAB forum. Maybe I should have posted here. Not sure if cut and paste between forums is allowed but here's what i said.............. buy BIAB today and you can jump straight into RTs. amazing real isntruments playing in wonderful styles. i have every RT and every style so far, and i must admit i tend to use real styles almost automatically these days on new projects. but i have midi when i need it. i have favourite midi parts i drop in - like a wonderful strings part i discovered years ago. and for solos i often use midi - exactly the notes and timings i want and after hunting around for samples, exactly the instument sound i want. but there have been a number of recent posts which suggest new users have no idea about midi. and given that RTs are so good they have no need to learn midi to create superb songs. but i can't help but feel they are missing out on a wonderful musical tool. if their experience is the mickey mouse sounds of a bad midi player then no wonder they get put off. but a little extra work and investigation will open up a huge sonic arsenal that broadens their musical horizons. what do other users think? is the excellence of RTs killing midi? and how do we sell the benefits to new users that make the learning curve worthwhile?

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Bob Calver #772179 07/27/23 11:58 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,455 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,455 Mi., USA	some users may not know it, but MIDI is what allows RTs to even exist, so I don't think RTs are killing MIDI at all, just showing the possibilities .. though a beginner may not grasp that yet Without MIDI Key and Tempo, RTs would be like canned loops from the 90s (just prerecorded audio) Plus without MIDI there would be no Kontakt, GM sounds etc. so eventually it becomes something new to learn, just depends on your starting point and path to learning music Some of us old users learned MIDI first, I suppose some very new users may not have learned it yet, but it is definitely not 'killing MIDI' by taking advantage of it I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning MarioD #772245 07/28/23 05:39 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 89 South Africa O Oom Karel OP Enthusiast
OP Oom Karel Enthusiast O Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 89 South Africa	Thank you Mario D. I really appreciate yours and everyone else's input. I am working through your suggestions and I am sure I'll get the hang of it. It does seem that I am doing something wrong somewhere, because now I got the brass(ish) sound, but trying to figure out how, I cannot get any other(ish) sound. It's like playing golf: that one time you get it perfect, you don't know what you did...

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Oom Karel #772248 07/28/23 07:52 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,285 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,285 Hamlin NY	What are you using for your MIDI sounds? Can you take a screen shot of your setup? Can you take a screen shot of the mixer? We will need more information to help, otherwise we are just guessing in our responses. Principal: Your child always causes trouble in school. Me: My child causes trouble at home, do I ever call you? 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning rharv #772309 07/29/23 02:44 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,725 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,725 Middlesex, NC	Originally Posted By: rharv some users may not know it, but MIDI is what allows RTs to even exist, so I don't think RTs are killing MIDI at all, just showing the possibilities .. though a beginner may not grasp that yet Without MIDI Key and Tempo, RTs would be like canned loops from the 90s (just prerecorded audio) Plus without MIDI there would be no Kontakt, GM sounds etc. so eventually it becomes something new to learn, just depends on your starting point and path to learning music Some of us old users learned MIDI first, I suppose some very new users may not have learned it yet, but it is definitely not 'killing MIDI' by taking advantage of it Indeed. Many of the early DAWs including Cakewalk started life as Midi sequencers before they added audio capabilities. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Oom Karel #772362 07/29/23 10:56 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,142 Essex England Bob Calver Veteran
Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,142 Essex England	rharv makes a very good point and Guitarhacker expands it well. those of us of a certain age started out with midi only and we learnt how to manipulate and edit our tracks. i used the same work process then as i do now. rough out in BIAB then edit the midi in PowerTracks. except today its RB for the edit and polish. then the wonder of RTs came along. we got a huge bonus in musical terms. but come to BIAB today and you can just plug in RTs and get great sounding music without midi. and the call is for extra funcionlaity within BIAB rather than use a separate DAW. I made a prediction (always risky!) in the BIAB forum - i think one of 2024's suite of 'improvements' will be making playable RT's capable of taking a keyboard input and recording parts from scratch or at least adding hooks and riffs in the right places to a generated RT. We all know that that will in fact be mainly a midi process but BIAB will become the 'front end' of midi much the same as windows became the 'front end'of DOS.

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Bob Calver #772366 07/29/23 11:35 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,455 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,455 Mi., USA	Quote: but come to BIAB today and you can just plug in RTs and get great sounding music without midi I think that's incorrect; as I understand it you are still using MIDI to generate those RTs behind the scenes I am pretty sure the whole basis is still MIDI .. the tempo and key sig are still based on MIDI You may not be using MIDI for 'sounds' but it still uses MIDI //not trying to be snarky, just pointing it out for clarity Last edited by rharv; 07/29/23 11:39 AM. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Oom Karel #772391 07/29/23 09:25 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,142 Essex England Bob Calver Veteran
Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,142 Essex England	yes of course midi is involved but maybe the phrase should be 'without consciously using anything to do with midi and without learning any of its capabilties' which was my main point

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Oom Karel #772455 07/30/23 06:42 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,446 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,446 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	I think that, in addition to RealTracks that are 'controlled' by MIDI as described by rharv and others above, PG Music has delivered on exactly what so many people requested: the ability of RealTracks to play your melody. Again, it's under control of MIDI. Playable RealTracks are more related to MIDI than most users may realize. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Matt Finley #772460 07/30/23 07:11 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 89 South Africa O Oom Karel OP Enthusiast
OP Oom Karel Enthusiast O Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 89 South Africa	Hi folks, Thank you for all your comments and help. I am only beginning to understand what I am confused about, but I have as Midi Output Driver selected VirtualMidiSynth which I downloaded from Coolsoft. Synthesizer Sound Card setting is :Coyote Wavetable DXI GM2 Support is General Midi 2 Support When I tick Use VSTi/DXi Synth I get a screen that looks like some sort of a control panel which says sforzando, but when I do that there is no midi sound. When I untick it, I get midi sound if I select the sforzando plugin. I also downloaded Compifont_NEW.sf2, but don't know what to do with it. I am beginning to understand what I am confused about, but not near having it under wraps yet. PS.How do I paste screenshots on the forum?

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Oom Karel #772469 07/30/23 08:50 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 621 Hockley, TX B Byron Dickens Journeyman
Byron Dickens Journeyman B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 621 Hockley, TX	There is no such thing as "MIDI sound." MIDI is a communication protocol. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs

Re: Midi Fast Track Learning Oom Karel #772474 07/30/23 10:01 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,623 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Veteran
Gordon Scott Veteran Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,623 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted By: Oom Karel I have as Midi Output Driver selected VirtualMidiSynth which I downloaded from Coolsoft. Synthesizer Sound Card setting is :Coyote Wavetable DXI If I understand correctly what you've written, I think that means BIAB is still using the Coyote synth for you sounds In the "MIDI/Audio Drivers setup" dialog, I think you want the "MIDI Output driver" set to "<No MIDI/sound output>", the two checkboxes to the right checked and to set the "VSTi/DXI Synth" to be VSTSynthFont64. See pages 8 and 9 of the manual. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .

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