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I'm curious to get a moment's snapshot of PGMusic's demographic. Let's start with the assumption that the people who frequent this forum comprise a reasonably random sample of PGMusic's customer base. Then, let's see how homogenous the group is in terms of:
name... age... preferred music style...do you use mostly BIAB/RB/PT ?
I'm wondering if there is any corellation between age, music style and which product the person prefers to use. I'll go first:
Pat Marr
Age 56
Any musical style with guitar
I use BIAB and Real Band equally, but in different stages of the song's development
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Mike Kohlgraf
Age 52 1/2
Just out of the hospital last Friday after breaking my left hip (shows you how hip I am!)
I'm a multi-genre person. I mutilize just about any genre using keys or the guitar (acoustic/electric).
I use BIAB and sometimes, RB (rarely), mostly SONAR PE to finish off my tunes (and boy, can I kill some of 'em). lol
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Bob Chapman
Age 53
I mostly play bluegrass, newgrass, country, some blues and jazz. The songs I write are country, country rock, rockabilly, bluegrass and even some blues and pop. Acoutic guitar is my instrument of choice, but I've dabbled in numerous other stringed instruments.
I used to use BIAB a lot, just for practicing. I haven't used RB but it looks promising. Sonar 4 PE was my DAW before I stopped playing 2-3 years ago. I'm trying to get myself motivated to get back into playing, but since I used to play at a pretty advanced level, it's tough to get motivated.
I usually update with every new version of BIAB, but since I lost my job last year I had to stick with BIAB/RB 2009 Ultrapack.
I try to keep with the PG forums because I know someday I want to get back into playing and the people here are a good bunch and a good source of info.
Bob
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Keith Smith
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Country, Country Rock
I use BIAB, real band not at all, SONAR 8.5 PE
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Older than you guys, 60 very soon.
Retired but working if I want.
Band in a Box, Going to play with RealBand soon, but I do live stuff and don't see why I need it.
I am waiting for my wife to retire and we are going to duo, 2 years I think to get all the sets done.
Band in a Box has been a practice tool, and I used it to learn to play the horn.
I play about once week. Band in a Box never has left the house yet. I'm the guy you hear at the keyboard in a bar in a hotel, or at a lunch meeting, or supper meeting.
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Let's start with the assumption that the people who frequent this forum comprise a reasonably random sample of PGMusic's customer base.
Questionable, Pat. I would suggest that the younger members of the PGMusic customer base (yes there must be some) have comparatively less time to devote to their home music hobby than the - how can I put this - more mature members. They're busy working, socialising, looking after younger kids...that kind of thing. Clearly this group has even less time to devote to surfing the forum so I think you'll find the sample will be slightly skewed.
Marc (50, see my profile for other responses)
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Marc,
True on all accounts. But it would be a good demographic of who's reading these post's.
I also suspect that a GREAT percentage of us using BIAB are "older". My son, who is a musician, doesn't want anything to do with BIAB. He say's it sounds "fake". Even with real tracks.
I don't agree, but it is a sampling of one of younger users. Or at least potential users.
As a WAG, (wild assed guess), I would say that 90% of those using BIAB are over 40.
It might be good info for PG.
Bob
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John Desjardins
Country & Oldies R&R
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Biab for chord structure and basic layout
RB for final product using ALL RTs
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Hi folks! Let me press down the average a bit - I am mere 29, married, but no kids yet  And I'm using BIAB as a replacement for open stage jam sessions and real live band members which both seem to be unavailable in my current home town. But BIAB fills the gap amazingly well. I am only a beginner with jazz piano/organ, but BIAB lets play in a band of professionals, practice jazz standards and gives me lots of inspiration and motivation for improving my skills.
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Let's start with the assumption that the people who frequent this forum comprise a reasonably random sample of PGMusic's customer base.
Questionable, Pat. I would suggest that the younger members of the PGMusic customer base (yes there must be some) have comparatively less time to devote to their home music hobby than the - how can I put this - more mature members. They're busy working, socialising, looking after younger kids...that kind of thing. Clearly this group has even less time to devote to surfing the forum so I think you'll find the sample will be slightly skewed.
Marc (50, see my profile for other responses)
I am surprised by your answer because this has not been my observation at all... (but admittedly, we all view from different vantage points.) My son is a 30 something musician. I know a lot of his friends. THey all disdain BIAB and MIDI in general, opting instead for all the looping software. There seem to be two different trends among his friends: One group has really embraced the automation of music via garage band, acid and FL Studio etc, while the other groupchooses to abstain from automated music altogether and return to real musicians multi-tracking their own chops. Also, the young people I know spend a LOT more time online and in forums than their older counterparts. It is part of their lives, and they budget time for it.
It has been my experience on multiple BIAB forums that the current demographic for this software is over 50 years old, with the occasional younger user filling in the edges of the bell-shaped curve.. We played in bands during the 60s and 70s, embraced MIDI when it came out, and are still using MIDI in one way or another. For that reason, BIAB appeals to our group.
One of the principles of statistical analysis is that you can generally draw a fairly small random sample from ANY population, and the results will be indicative of the whole to a factor of about 99.xx%. This has been demonstrated over and over again in tests of all kinds.
I predict that the addition of real band (and real instruments in general) will eventually change the demographic to draw more young people who typically don't like midi and who typically prefer loop-based music programs. The purpose of this thread is to test that theory somewhat by seeing how existing customers at different ages use the software. My premise is that older customers strongly prefer BIAB/MIDI and younger customers like the Real tracks.
Or it may be that musicians who have a history of using MIDI will strongly prefer the BIABs MIDI styles, while music hobbyists and performing musicians who never got into MIDI will tend to prefer the real tracks. It might be interesting to add a few words about what each person prefers and why
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Pat, I do believe that was the most prolific endorsement and explaination of the age gap in BIAB users that I've ever read. Good job. Bob
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lol..many youngsters ive met are too lazy to learn midi.
actually many ive met would like guitar hero to write a song for em
on friday and be a worldwide hit by monday like britney.
they all wanna be big like britney..lol.
but dont often wanna put in the time n effort to learn an instrument n
go thru the lengthy process of recording a song from scratch.
i'm not saying this is true for all youngsters cos ive met many dedicated ones.
just more than a few ive met want it all too easy.
moi..early 60's.
i'll do a song in any genre for fun..whether its MOR or way out there metal.
only genre i cant get into is screamo emo..lol.
mostly i like songs with a laughs n a bit of comedy in em.
frankly i hate this getting old biz. cos inside beats the heart of someone
who likes to rock out. which i hopefully will be doing still
at age 99 in the old folks home..lol.
long time ptw user. (but i also use other software in conjunction with ptw.)
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rharv mid 40's wondering what I'm doing hanging around with these old people ..:) RB Multitracking and Mastering MIDI is for automating a show .. 
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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My premise is that older customers strongly prefer BIAB/MIDI and younger customers like the Real tracks.
Or it may be that musicians who have a history of using MIDI will strongly prefer the BIABs MIDI styles, while music hobbyists and performing musicians who never got into MIDI will tend to prefer the real tracks. It might be interesting to add a few words about what each person prefers and why
You might be right for the most part of the user base, but I (at 52) embrace the RT/RD features in BIAB. Can't remember the last time I used MIDI in BIAB. Oh wait, yes I can... it was before RT's came out! LOL!
Cheers,
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MarioD 63 and holding---onto anything I can I like all genres of music but prefer blues and new age I use BiaB to sketch out a song then bring it into Sonar 5.2PE. I use mostly midi, a little RT and an occasional loop for my backing tracks.
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I see a statistically significant trend forming and I will apparently keep it going -
Another end of the Baby-Boomers here born in 1953. I suspect we all grew up to essentially the same music. As a guitar player I tend toward playing jazz. Latched on very early to the computer explosion and when I found I could combine music and computers in some fashion I was off to the races.
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I'm a senior citizen, jazz pianist and have been using BIAB since 1995. I love the Real Bass and Real Drums, which are the only tracks I use for live gigs. Most of my songs are not frozen, as I like the different versions when I press play. I realize that I'm only using a miniscule part of BIAB, but that's all I need. Later, Ray
I also use Real Piano to have a trio to back me up when I play my EWI 4000s.
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...Let's start with the assumption that the people who frequent this forum comprise a reasonably random sample of PGMusic's customer base. ...
I don't think that is the case at all, though.
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Don Spooner - age 74. I hang around here to try and learn from you kids. I use BIAB and RB for practice and for recording gospel songs. I hack at piano and guitar. My musical taste are stuck in a rut some where between 1920 to 1955.
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Robert Taylor 46 Gospel, country. Lyricist to write, Biab to create the song, wavelab to edit, realband to record and mix, tracks to master. Listen To My MusicRead My Blog
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We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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