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Am I missing something, or was it eliminated for some reason. I was auditioning some styles and they were blasting in my ear (with my computer volume turned down pretty low).

It would be nice to have it back. If it isn't hidden somewhere that I've missed.

I understand that if you are generating the tracks from the style picker, in the chord sheet, that it would take on the levels set in the mixer... But if you are auditioning the demos from the style, what control do you have?

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I'm seriously thinking about uninstalling 2024 and going back to v2023. It's one step forward and two back. Myself and others wish for fewer clicks, menus, sub-menus and pop-ups. All this version has done is given us many more. The lack of common sense is mind boggling.

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I'm seriously thinking about uninstalling 2024 and going back to v2023. It's one step forward and two back. Myself and others wish for fewer clicks, menus, sub-menus and pop-ups. All this version has done is given us many more. The lack of common sense is mind boggling.

That's why I liked the buttons they removed. A button you see, it tells you yes or no....It's visual and there is no need to do 3 submenus to find it. On the other hand, the MP is really nice, but I admit that at the moment I use it too little. The Tracks view reminds me of my Daws, and I like Ctrl-F8 on a specific portion. The main asset for me is the Reaper plugin. Besides, in Studio One it does not produce any sound. It produces empty sound files, it's so weird.


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I can't make that volume control stick at 4 - 5. Each time I turn down the volume, when I double click on the next demo in the list, it switches back to 10 as the default. I have to turn down the volume on my audio interface, preview some style demos, then turn it back up if I find one I like.


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I'm seriously thinking about uninstalling 2024 and going back to v2023. It's one step forward and two back. Myself and others wish for fewer clicks, menus, sub-menus and pop-ups. All this version has done is given us many more. The lack of common sense is mind boggling.

That's why I liked the buttons they removed. A button you see, it tells you yes or no....It's visual and there is no need to do 3 submenus to find it. On the other hand, the MP is really nice, but I admit that at the moment I use it too little. The Tracks view reminds me of my Daws, and I like Ctrl-F8 on a specific portion. The main asset for me is the Reaper plugin. Besides, in Studio One it does not produce any sound. It produces empty sound files, it's so weird.

The MP is a great idea but needs massive improvement before I personally care for it. So much is now hidden in menus etc, but worse of all IMO it doesn't serve much purpose being a non modal window (or whatever you call it) while it's set to always on top only, I have to close it just as often as any of the previous style windows just to get it out of my way. It should have an option to disable "always on top".

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Mixing topics in this tread, but...

Hang in there guys. There is a massive amount of effort behind the scenes to bring it all together, remove redundancy, and improve workflow. And yes, we continue to bring the reported bugs to the developers. Only time will tell if this can be pulled off. But rest assured PGM is hearing the feedback.


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The MP is a great idea but needs massive improvement before I personally care for it. So much is now hidden in menus etc, but worse of all IMO it doesn't serve much purpose being a non modal window (or whatever you call it) while it's set to always on top only, I have to close it just as often as any of the previous style windows just to get it out of my way. It should have an option to disable "always on top".

You're right again, I even wondered if I should take out my old screen to add it to my desk, it would be practical for this awesome MP, but I don't have much space anymore with my Komplete keyboard. But I seriously asked myself the question.
The advantage of MP as its name suggests is that you can select everything on a single screen, RT, RD & Styles at least. So, in terms of space requirements, it comes down to the same as screen by screen.
And if you deactivate "always on top" you will spend your time looking for it....


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Lee,
"given us" .... is very subjective. I don't agree with this assessment at all.
As well as I don't agree with some other strange & unsupported comments you made.

2024 given "us" lightning speed regenerations, non modal windows, excellent MTP Library, where most of BIAB content is easily accessible all in one place, great set of RT's and other content and a few other bells and whistles, including VST3 support that is coming later this year and will be free to those who upgraded.

Of course there are minor issues with MTP and it is perfectly fine to discuss and offer suggestions, and of course report bugs, but these little "this and that" things are NOTHING compared to old modal pickers problems. I feel sorry for those who fail to see big picture.

P.S. MTP library can be easily closed and recalled with shortcut or a dedicated button on upper right tabbed menu of GUI. What is the big deal here?

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I can't make that volume control stick at 4 - 5. Each time I turn down the volume, when I double click on the next demo in the list, it switches back to 10 as the default. I have to turn down the volume on my audio interface, preview some style demos, then turn it back up if I find one I like.

In fact I wonder if the volume of the demo is not integrated into the demo, recorded with it since it actually changes depending on the demos....


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Don’t forget the MP is a toggle.
F7 there it is. F7 there it’s gone.

The new Track view works the same way.
Click Track view icon there it is.
Click it again and you see the Chord view.

Workflow that is in your hands as we speak is the Custom toolbar tab.
Set it up with just the icons that you’re interested in your workflow and you can avoid a lot of the current redundancy.


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"In fact I wonder if the volume of the demo is not integrated into the demo, recorded with it since it actually changes depending on the demos.."

I believe this is true (unfortunately). Not only styles, but a lot of other content too. I wonder if volumes can be offset to main mixer value and have a "relative" volume controls for auditioning. That is an important subject.

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Originally Posted by jpettit
Workflow that is in your hands as we speak is the Custom toolbar tab.
Set it up with just the icons that you’re interested in your workflow and you can avoid a lot of the current redundancy.

This is great advice. We have never needed this Custom toolbar more than right now. grin


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Originally Posted by Rustyspoon#
Lee,
"given us" .... is very subjective. I don't agree with this assessment at all.
Don't take my wording too literal smile It's just another way of saying "replaced with" which is bad for those that don't like it.

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As well as I don't agree with some other strange & unsupported comments you made.
What have I said that' strange and unsupported?

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2024 given "us" lightning speed regenerations, non modal windows, excellent MTP Library, where most of BIAB content is easily accessible all in one place, great set of RT's and other content and a few other bells and whistles, including VST3 support that is coming later this year and will be free to those who upgraded.

I've not said it's all bad. I'm just picking out things that I personally think are bad. It has moved forward in some areas, and back in too many others.
This is all about workflow. We don't all work the same way. If I think something is a bad idea and you don't, then sure that could cause split opinions. However, most of what I argue about are things that could easily be implemented or simply put back as they were without having any negative impact on your workflow, while at the same time improving mine.

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Of course there are minor issues with MTP and it is perfectly fine to discuss and offer suggestions, and of course report bugs, but these little "this and that" things are NOTHING compared to old modal pickers problems. I feel sorry for those who fail to see big picture.

Nothing to do with the bigger picture. If the new implementations slow me down then the advantages might get outweighed by the disadvantages - according to my own way of working. Nobody is right or wrong, we just do things differently. If I look at the way you do things I'd probably think you have far too much patience on your hands - but that's your way of doing things and that's fine.
I wouldn't argue necessarily about features or improvements that I want if it was going to affect the majority of users and the way they like to work. Most of what I complain about are things that would simply make it better for people that work similar to me, and have no impact on anyone else - at least not that I can predict - sure I could be wrong.

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P.S. MTP library can be easily closed and recalled with shortcut or a dedicated button on upper right tabbed menu of GUI. What is the big deal here?

The bid deal is speed and unnecessary annoyance. The mouse is always in my hand when I'm looking for styles and realtracks. Click between screens and I'm done. Shortcuts? I have enough to remember already, BIAB isn't the only software I use. If I'm going to need to regularly open and close the multipicker with a shortcut, then it offers no real advantage over the older pickers.

We should all respect that not everybody works the same - and in my case, I'm very impatient and like to get things done with as least aggravation as possible - which becomes especially annoying when a very easy solution could be had to please us all.

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I'm seriously thinking about uninstalling 2024 and going back to v2023...
You can run 2023 along side 2024 until they fix a few more issues and you get comfortable with it.
You should have 2023 in C:\Data\Backups
I have lots of different versions along side 2024, this way you will get all the new tracks in 2023

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I can't make that volume control stick at 4 - 5. Each time I turn down the volume, when I double click on the next demo in the list, it switches back to 10 as the default. I have to turn down the volume on my audio interface, preview some style demos, then turn it back up if I find one I like.

I'm running build 1108 for BIAB 2024 and when I set my volume to 2/10, it stayed at 2 while I tried out different demos. This value stayed active while BIAB was open.

When I closed BIAB and re-opened it, the value was 5/10.

Have you installed build 1108?
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Lee.
You made a particular vote couple of weeks ago and I asked to back it up with constructive comments, which never materialized.
That is what I am talking about.

If you have hard time of memorizing F7 and/or a large graphical toggle button.... I have no comment.

P.S. "majority of users" - Majority of users are not on this forum.
I am very certain majority of users would pick new non modal MTP Library hands down instead of 9 modal, pickers that have all kinds of issues, discrepancies and bugs. Especially new users. We care about those a little, right?

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I'm seriously thinking about uninstalling 2024 and going back to v2023...
You can run 2023 along side 2024 until they fix a few more issues and you get comfortable with it.
You should have 2023 in C:\Data\Backups
I have lots of different versions along side 2024, this way you will get all the new tracks in 2023

bbw64 - 1013.exe (2023)
bbw64.exe (2024)

Thanks. I keep meaning to but haven't got round to trying it. I don't have enough disk space so need to figure out how to share the realtracks folders, if possible.

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