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The Rider A song we recorded many years ago with zero thought (on my part) to the band aside from A and B substyle choices in BiaB. So this was fun to revisit. This song is a bit of American history (and mythology) and a whole lot of cautionary tale with regard to disruptive technologies. For those unfamiliar with the Pony Express, here's the Wiki. This genre of Old West music was wildly popular in the USA 60 years ago; Gunfighter Ballads and Trail Songs is my favorite album example of that style. Our vocalist learned to play the guitar by playing along to this album, which is pretty cool, and he REALLY enjoyed singing this song. THANKS in advance for any comments/input. Know there's a lot going on in the forum of late... Lyrics: R.W. Davis Lead Vocals: D.A. Hughes BGVs, music, arrangement, production, mix, master: me (Think this is my first posted BGV. Dusty didn't sing one at the time so decided to stretch a bit. He's obviously much more skilled, but I had fun doing this. So there's that. Ha!) Style is _CNTRY34.STY (Melodic Country Waltz) RealTracks in style: ~1123:Bass, Acoustic, CountryWaltz Sw 140 RealTracks in style: ~2050:Piano, Acoustic, Solo-Accompaniment CountryWaltzJohn Sw 140 (played MIDI transcript using Wave Grand Rhapsody) RealTracks in style: ~2055:Guitar, Acoustic, Fingerpicking CountryWaltzBrent Sw 140 RealTracks in style: 1298:Pedal Steel, Rhythm CountryWaltz Sw 140 RealDrums in style:NashClassicWaltzSw^1-a:SideStick, HiHat , b:Snare, Ride (This is the stock RealStyle. The piano, guitar and steel tracks were faded in/out to provide the dynamics.) He’s been riding all night With the bag in his hands His horse is so tired As it races ‘cross the lands The hooves beat up a cloud of dust He wipes away the dirt He turns his ear towards a sound As a bullet rips his shirt Down a steep ravine he rides The outlaws on his trail He kicks the horse with his spurs As he protects the mail West, west, head west, young man No matter who pursues But you’ll get no glory As you bring the news A dozen men hot on his back Their rifles miss the mark His horse is fast and terrified And they lose them in the dark The next station is abandoned No riders can be found So he grabs a fresh horse And continues westbound He enters the last station His final destination All bloody and worn His clothes are all torn He dodged an uncertain fate The mustachioed man begins to laugh “Sorry, boy, you’re a little late. We’ve already gotten a telegraph.” West, west, head west, young man Communication is desired One day you’ll be replaced By messages through the wires He collapses to the floor The crumpled letter in his hand He thinks about his sacred oath And smiles at the man
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Ron,
Great song. I love the roving nature of the song and the band works so well.
Love the vocal - steady and clear. Really tells the story. The mix is excellent.
Extremely nice work all around.
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I love the romantic side of history and the ballads of Marty Robbins.
Nice clear vocal which, when time permits, could be improved by changes to some of the phrasing or lyric, which seems rushed and awkward
e.g. "as it races across the lands" to " as she (or it) rides o'er the lands".
Worth working on.
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I really like your choice of the 3/4 time signature, it fits the song very well.
Even though your song has a different vibe, your storytelling reminds me of Knopfler's solo stuff.
Great story, great storytelling.
LOVE it!
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Very well done.
I like this kind of song.
The Pony Express. They preferred young boys barely into their teens and orphans. Small, lightweight, naive, and orphans. The life expectancy of those riders wasn't very long and with no family to notify, a disposable and easily replaced commodity. Between the bandits, outlaws and Indians, they had a hard road to ride.
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RW,DA,DC...
Good write, good vocal, good BAND.
Good mix.
A story well-told.
The Band fits nicely. Subtle and supportive.
(I did expect you might add one of the Spaghetti Western bartones from BIAB)
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Ron, Great song. I love the roving nature of the song and the band works so well. Love the vocal - steady and clear. Really tells the story. The mix is excellent. Extremely nice work all around. Bob Thanks, Bob. Dusty did especially enjoy this one since Marty Robbins was an early influence. I love the romantic side of history and the ballads of Marty Robbins. Nice clear vocal which, when time permits, could be improved by changes to some of the phrasing or lyric, which seems rushed and awkward e.g. "as it races across the lands" to " as she (or it) rides o'er the lands". Worth working on. Vic Vic, THANKS for the listen and the notes! I (of course) share your love of the romance of the Marty Robbins ballads. I'm not the lyricist, but I do like the phrase "races 'cross the lands" more than "rides o'er the lands". My role in our collaboration is to squeeze a song out of a set lyric, and I always think on reflection I could have done a better job with my choices. Will keep your notes in mind should we ever crack this one back open. I really like your choice of the 3/4 time signature, it fits the song very well. Even though your song has a different vibe, your storytelling reminds me of Knopfler's solo stuff. Great story, great storytelling. LOVE it! Thanks, B.D.! Marty's classic "El Paso" was in 6/8, and I'm sure that influenced my time signature choice on this one. I'll attribute the storytelling completely to the lyricist. I do love Knopfler's story songs. "Romeo and Juliet" (with Dire Straits) is as perfect a song as there will ever be in my mind. Very well done. I like this kind of song. The Pony Express. They preferred young boys barely into their teens and orphans. Small, lightweight, naive, and orphans. The life expectancy of those riders wasn't very long and with no family to notify, a disposable and easily replaced commodity. Between the bandits, outlaws and Indians, they had a hard road to ride. THANKS, Herb! I love this kind of song as well. A lot we remember about The Pony Express, was mythologized by Buffalo Bill Cody and his Wild West Show. We only know now that he was never actually a rider as he claimed... RW,DA,DC...Good write, good vocal, good BAND.
Good mix. A story well-told. The Band fits nicely. Subtle and supportive. (I did expect you might add one of the Spaghetti Western bartones from BIAB) fj Thank you, Floyd! BiaB DOES have great sounding baritones. I was going to craft the production in the style of Gunfighter Ballads and Trail Songs, but when I relistened to the album and checked the credits, I was stunned to be reminded that this album only has vocals, guitar, bass and drums. Now the BGVs are tight and layered, and the lead guitarist is the incomparable Grady Martin, but still...that's pretty mind boggling. So anyway, I kept the pedal steel and piano because I liked them, but refrained from further embellishments like the harmonica I REALLY wanted. But...Glad you liked the tune as it is!
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Based on the title and previous songs, I was expecting something fast paced galloping pop ala Rider In The Sky, not a waltz ballad. I'm glad to be surprised  The music matches nicely with the illustrative and nostalgic story how technology beats the horse in the long run. Professional vocals as always. Fine band, the pedal steel creates nice athmosphere and the drums ride nicely. I was just wondering how a fiddle would work in the intro & outro. Janne
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Janne, happy to have surprised you! You're right, I might have chosen "Riders in the Sky" as an alternative inspiration, since that's a GREAT song in the same genre. But "The Rider" is closer to "El Paso" in style, which may explain the time signature and tempo. I experimented with fiddle, harmonica, horns and even strings in this arrangement but tossed them all out in order to create a sparser, more authentic to the genre arrangement. Even as-is, "The Rider" quite a bit denser than either "Riders in the Sky" or "El Paso" though "Riders in the Sky" has a really cool horn section. Those guys could do a LOT with a little back in the day, and they didn't even have BiaB!!
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Hi, Ron. Well written story, appropriate arrangement and vocals. Loved where you backed the instruments off for that stanza. Shades of Mary Robbins, with the main character dying in the end. Nice!
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DC,
Your songs are getting better and better and better!
This is really a great write and composition and production all around. Fantastic idea and instrumentation and delivery by everyone.
Kudos!
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I doubt that many will be unfamiliar with the pony express as it's an archetypal part of US wild west history, plus it featured in so many ww movies and TV series. In the UK we have a Freeview channel called TalkingPictures TV which shows lots of oldies - movies and TV series - mostly from the 30s to the 60s, so lots of Westerns and a lot I remember seeing as a kid. Those shows and movies were seen all over Europe, including the then communist black as when I was in Romania in 63, aged 12, "The Lone Ranger" movie was on in a tiny village cinema.
Great song and perfect instrumentation for it.
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Good song Ron, excellent vocals mix & master - lovely clear sound & production!
Well done,
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Hi Ron,
As mentioned, this brings to mind Marty Robbins from the early 1960s.
The 3/4 time signature was a perfect choice. A well-written song and produced so superbly. This works on all levels. A sincere tip of the 10-gallon hat.
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Hello Ron,
Let me start with what David wrote. You are getting better and better all the time with your songs.
And I already enjoyed them, where will that leads us to?
Choosing a waltz for this song is a good decision; it adds an extra dynamic.
But I read others wrote that too, so now you know for sure it was a good decision ;-)
I liked the lyrics, but most of all the way you sang them. Great voice!
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Hi Ron
Wow. Absolute TOP Song
Sounds really great
Pro Vocals !
Everything is perfectly coordinated
Congratulations
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I really like the theme of the song and the way it is interpreted with a good choice of instruments.
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Hi, Ron. Well written story, appropriate arrangement and vocals. Loved where you backed the instruments off for that stanza. Shades of Mary Robbins, with the main character dying in the end. Nice! Thanks, David! Yeah, it's interesting to me how much Marty's story songs created musical interest for youngsters and shaped a generation or two. Know I was crazy for his songs, unhappy endings and all... DC, Your songs are getting better and better and better! This is really a great write and composition and production all around. Fantastic idea and instrumentation and delivery by everyone. Kudos! Why, THANK YOU, David! I think the quality of the arrangements and production are definitely benefitting from my just TAKING THE TIME to listen carefully and get it as right as I can. And all that goes a long way in shaping the listening experience for any song. Or so I think... I doubt that many will be unfamiliar with the pony express as it's an archetypal part of US wild west history, plus it featured in so many ww movies and TV series. In the UK we have a Freeview channel called TalkingPictures TV which shows lots of oldies - movies and TV series - mostly from the 30s to the 60s, so lots of Westerns and a lot I remember seeing as a kid. Those shows and movies were seen all over Europe, including the then communist black as when I was in Romania in 63, aged 12, "The Lone Ranger" movie was on in a tiny village cinema. Great song and perfect instrumentation for it. Chay, glad you enjoyed the song! Funny story (to me)...Was in Dubai for work in about 1990. The Korean employees in the hotel lounge were excited to see us. "Tomorrow is our America theme night--you have to come back for that!" And so we did. The three bartenders were dressed in cowboy gear, from the bottom of their boots to top of their Stetsons. The servers were dressed like...well you can imagine. When we walked in they shouted an obscenity laced "Howdy!" because, well...this WAS America theme night after all, right? We had a great time singing western Karaoke songs, the highlight being "A Boy Named Sue". It was a night to remember. Obviously. Which is a long way of saying...I sometimes forget how ubiquitous wild west mythology is around the world. THANKS for the reminder!!! Good song Ron, excellent vocals mix & master - lovely clear sound & production! Well done, Carl Carl, THANKS for the listen! Know this is not stylistically close to the beautiful instrumental tunes you are posting, but I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Dusty's excellent vocals are a joy to work with. He makes everything better. Hi Ron, As mentioned, this brings to mind Marty Robbins from the early 1960s. The 3/4 time signature was a perfect choice. A well-written song and produced so superbly. This works on all levels. A sincere tip of the 10-gallon hat. Alan Hi, Alan! Hope you and Di have had a better week. This was a lot of fun for us, and I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Hello Ron, Let me start with what David wrote. You are getting better and better all the time with your songs. And I already enjoyed them, where will that leads us to? Choosing a waltz for this song is a good decision; it adds an extra dynamic. But I read others wrote that too, so now you know for sure it was a good decision ;-) I liked the lyrics, but most of all the way you sang them. Great voice! Hans Thanks, Hans, that's so flattering. But I don't want to take all the credit: The lyrics were by my brother, and the vocals were by Dusty. I TOTALLY agree they did a fabulous job! Hi Ron Wow. Absolute TOP Song Sounds really great Pro Vocals ! Everything is perfectly coordinated Congratulations Andi ;-) THANKS, Andi! I really like the theme of the song and the way it is interpreted with a good choice of instruments. Laurent Laurent, THANKS, I like the theme a lot, too. It's a wild west song, but with a twist that says something about today. Appreciate the kind thoughts!!
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Love this stuff, Ron, and a great song to present the flavor of the Old West. Last night we just finished the Netflix presentation of Wyatt Earp and The Cowboy War. I really like how those BGVs lift up the vocal. You fill these compositions with such accomplished talent in your collaborators. Excellent mix and a very enjoyable write.
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Ron...great song and great style...as I listened the first time I was captivated by the story line and hoped the whole time he would make it to the end of the line...if I were him I would have been tempted to cut the telegraph wires but that's just me...Dusty's vocals are always right on and he's one of my favs...BTW, Dusty Hughes is the perfect name for a singer in this genre...his name sounds like a picture by Charles Russel or Frederic Remington  ...great job on BGV's, arrangement, mix and mastering...those of us who grew up in the 50's and 60's grew up in a cowboy culture no matter where we lived...great story telling and delivery!
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