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Hi all,
First of all, my objectives are to basically pump out of BIAB a lead sheet into Sibelius i.e. I just want melody , I know I can't get the chord symbols. However, what BIAB displays in its score view is not what I see in Sibelius. So I guess I need to force the "quantized view" to also be what gets exported i.e. I need Sibelius to score the melody exactly as I see it in BIAB. Now, at this juncture I will gladly take any suggestion i.e. whether something I should do in BIAB prior to exporting or something I could do when importing the midi into Sibelius.
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-Charles
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When I export from BIAB to Noteworthy Composer, I will generally use the quantize command in BIAB before exporting to MIDI. That generally ensures that I don't end up with lots of weird tied 32nd notes and sporadic 16th and 32nd note rests. I don't have BIAB in front of me right now, but there is a command to quantize. Of course, once you do that, you'll lose the humanization for playback, but the score should look right. I hope I interpreted your question correctly.
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I agree with jford.
Toggling the "Clean Notation" in BiaB to OFF can show you what is *really* going on in the notation there.
Lots of bar overlaps, beat overlaps, etc. in order to make a more convincing and human sounding playback happen. But it does not translate to the clean written staff.
I don't know if Sibelius LE version has a cleanup in it or not, you might look to see, though.
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Hey Charles,
I used to spend hours "cleaning up" the midi files I imported into Finale and Sibelius. Then I saw the light and started to spend just a little more time fixing up the lead sheets in BIAB. Really, when you start to use it and know how to dress it up, %90 of what you need is in BIAB, no need for the other programs. Now, if you need detailed percussion parts and many orchestral parts, then Sibelius is a better choice. But most of time, I'm more than happy with the lead sheet in BIAB.
Ed
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When I export from BIAB to Noteworthy Composer, I will generally use the quantize command in BIAB before exporting to MIDI. That generally ensures that I don't end up with lots of weird tied 32nd notes and sporadic 16th and 32nd note rests. I don't have BIAB in front of me right now, but there is a command to quantize. Of course, once you do that, you'll lose the humanization for playback, but the score should look right. I hope I interpreted your question correctly.
You have made my day. I never knew why I got such weird notation when I imported a midi file into Sibelius. THANK YOU!
Stan
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first of all , thanks. For some weird reason I didn't get notified of your replies even though I did do "add to favorites" , maybe I missed something tho, guess there's a "be notified" as well. thanks for the cleanup tip, I'll check it out. Obviously, the score view in BIAB is doing some sort of quantize to make the score palatable , so I I wish there was something that meant export like you look i.e. what you see is what you get. I tried to find that "quantize" option but to no avail, here's proof that I tried  : http://screencast.com/t/Yjk2MjQ4YI think that for plain lead sheets , I would be glad to use BIAB to print that. My prob was that I tried adding section marks i.e. Rehearsal letters and could not find a way of placing the Rehearsal letter exactly where I needed it to be i.e. at a specific bar. I figured out how to enter some text annotations but that technique did not seem to apply to Rehearsal letters. thanks
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...the score view in BIAB is doing some sort of quantize to make the score palatable , so I wish there was something that meant export like you look i.e. what you see is what you get.
Agreed, BiaB notation does a good job of converting and simplifying a melody for a sensible leadsheet. When it exports MIDI, however, it has little choice except to send it out as played. It would be very annoying if it automatically quantized everything. So you quantize it yourself, as needed.
As follows: Along the very top row of menus: MELODY | EDIT MELODY TRACK | QUANTIZE. If the BiaB leadsheet is not appearing quite right in spite of its built in routines, you can try quantizing temporarily in order to straighten it up.
For making leadsheets, nothing much works slicker than BiaB, when the tune is already entered there. Its deficiencies and inabilities are usually not serious for daily work. Stay in BiaB and don't export nothin' to nowhere, unless you just have to. Publishers sometimes demand Finale files, for example.
If you're not happy with stock appearance, almost every aspect is customizable. Once set, a new leadsheet style persists permanently as your house style until you change it.
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i agree, Larry. Using the BIAB leadsheet saves a bunch of time. You could just quantize, print the leadsheet, and UNDO the quantize, I guess.
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I don't believe there's any need to undo anything, Stan. Just shut down without saving the quantized melody.
Actually, I myself almost never actually quantize things anyway, because it seems there's always a way to make it display and print correctly while still sounding good. As everybody agrees, the leadsheet will automatically compensate for quite a lot of timing slack. But quantizing will make many corrections quickly, if your times are super-loose. So it could help.
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Hey Charles, Not to interrupt your thread, but I was reading a little on your link site and would like to hear some of your music. Being a guitarist who predominately writes instrumentals that I call, "Confusion" I would love to some original fusion with the guitar on the front line. I also notice you have an Al DiMeola piece. He's quite a player though I still prefer his songs that he used an electric guitar to record with like in the days of Elegant Gyspy Suite.
Thanks,
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I'm afraid that I have been struggling with the packaging of my compositions i.e. developing an interesting structure that fits the type of music that I like which is generally structurally complex. Also some life has gotten in the way schedules and what nots with collaborators that have left basically a bunch of stuff unfinished. Of course, there's always the production but I have enough of a home studio and I do know some cats around these parts.
I'm currently enrolled in Berklee's Online music program , specifically a Professional/Master's certificate in Arranging. I"m hoping that will close the gaps and allow me to bring my music to a satisfactory level of packaging i.e. something which I would like to share.
In the meanwhile maybe I can listen to your "confusion". As far as to ADM, yeah, he does have those two sides i.e. his rock/fusion thing and then the Latin Piazolla influence. I can dig both but sometimes you do have to be in the mood.
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Charles,
You can go to: Melody/Edit melody/quantize to help "move" some notes on the melody channel. It will quantize the notes and you can watch it move if you have the piano roll/melody channel open. Same goes for Soloist channel: Soloist/edit soloist/quantize etc . . . You can even try humanize straight/swing and it will also "move" the notes as well.
The Biab style parts should automagically be quantized etc, so I assume you are wanting to clean up the "other" parts of the midi track(s). You can also assign the channel #'s using the .seq button on either Melody or Soloist channels there.
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