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Here are a couple examples of low hanging fruit that was never addressed in the effort to improve user experience this year.

Consistency: In general there are many examples of inconsistency in terms of behavior and objects used to produce an action.

Loop Buttons: Buttons that everyone expect to be a state of toggle on or off do not show the state of on or off.
- Track view loop selection: does not show active state.
- Transport loop button shows active state yet only operates with a hot key.
- Loop song button shows state (kind of) but is a toggle on or off yet has two more options that are logically equivalent to on or off? ( it could dramatically improve User experience with simple on or off)
- Piano Roll view has no loop button or menu option for looping. The only clue is a bubble help. No color adjustments. Although it attempts to take more modern approach it's inconsistent with all other looping views in BIAB. I recommend adopting this approach across all views after basic clean up of a loop state button and color improvements.


Display Options Color:
- Is called Display Options in the Chord view and called Colors in Preferences (should be display options as it includes much more than colors)
- Very old un orthodox method of saving and recalling themes, even compared to other save and load actions in BIAB
- No way of easily seeing the name of current Display Option. (It is hidden under Save Button)
- Has no search for object names (always have to hunt)
- Color Categories are inconsistent sometimes based on Views (some view have no options), sometime based on Objects, sometime based on actions. (This makes it hard to hunt or search)

There are many other inconsistences such as Cursor behaviors but the point here is there are some easy low hanging fruits that would greatly improve the User Experience still left for 2026.


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Those are super helpful options. Actually not really option they are needed upgrades. +1


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Great suggestions. New UI was a blessing, now time is ripe to clean up the dust.

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I was just baffled by the Loop button last night. I did write quite a bit about this during testing and this was my first time using it since.


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I definitely support finalizing these few outstanding issues.

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+1, excellent ideas!

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This entire thread should be moved to the wish list. i wonder if that can be done?


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This entire thread should be moved to the wish list. i wonder if that can be done?
Hmmm. I'm not sure if it gets the same amount of exposure in the wish list section.


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This entire thread should be moved to the wish list. i wonder if that can be done?
Hmmm. I'm not sure if it gets the same amount of exposure in the wish list section.

Good point. Maybe a wish list thread that points to this thread?
I just want PGM to view this thread and I don't know the best way to achieve that.


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I believe OP's intention was to show weak spots that should be corrected to accepted norms. It's nothing to "wish" for, it just has to be done smile

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That's a good point. As PG moves their thinking on to 2027, maybe its a good time to focus on these "must haves" before starting those "nice to haves".

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That's a good point. As PG moves their thinking on to 2027, maybe its a good time to focus on these "must haves" before starting those "nice to haves".

Jeff
By now they should probably be moving from "thinking about 2027" towards finalising 2027.
They should be thinking about 2028 and beyond.


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I created the workflow video series 2 + years ago and was hoping PGM would address the inconsistencies when they focus on the User Experience in 2026.
Unfortunately, they seem to be some what restricted to just GUI improvements.
The User Experience is much more than that.
They have made many improvements since these video were made, but many of the topics have not been addressed such as zoom, pan, and zoom consistency,

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=802368#Post802368


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Originally Posted by jpettit
I created the workflow video series 2 + years ago and was hoping PGM would address the inconsistencies when they focus on the User Experience in 2026.
Unfortunately, they seem to be some what restricted to just GUI improvements.
The User Experience is much more than that.
They have made many improvements since these video were made, but many of the topics have not been addressed such as zoom, pan, and zoom consistency,

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=802368#Post802368
Hopefully they will continue to make progress through that.

Their business model appears to demand a new release each year, for Christmas, with "new features" and I think improvements of the kind you/we want are not always so easy to sell as those new features. The last release had "many new features", rather than the 50+ they usually declare, so I think(hope) that indicated a change from their old way of working to something more focussed on a smoother user experience. I guess we'll find out for sure this coming December.

We have to remember that many changes they make will be fairly complex due to BiaB's history and will need extensive testing and still needs to fit within the above strategy. Some of the changes they make may well be just intermediate steps towards a planned end and the steps themselves may fade away.


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