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Hi there,
I tried to import or open a MIDI file using RealBand which has fluctuating tempo changes throughout. For example bar 3 might be tempo 83, bar 4 84, bar 5 83 and so on but the whole track is in sytraight 4/4 time. However RealBand reads the track as 120 tempo and ignores these MidiFile tempo changes. If I open the same file it in other programs then the correct tempos are properly read. Do you know if there is a way that RealBand can recognise such tempos fluctuations? As an added query to all you experts I presume I am correct in assuming that BIAB2010 obviously cannot cope with such changes but I thought RealBand would be able to.
Thanks in advance for any advice
Tony
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Tony,
There is a tempo map button in RB. I believe it looks like a metronome on the tool bar. Click that and see if all of the tempos are listed in there? The INS button there will insert a new tempo. You can also change the existing tempos which are listed there as well.
If it isn't shown in the tool bar, click the little arrows to the right (toolbar) to see what is hidden.
If that also fails, hit the help button at the top and search for tempo.
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Do you know if there is a way that RealBand can recognise such tempos fluctuations? As an added query to all you experts I presume I am correct in assuming that BIAB2010 obviously cannot cope with such changes but I thought RealBand would be able to.
Thanks in advance for any advice
Tony
Real Band follows tempo changes just fine so I don't know what the problem is with your file and it's the same with Biab, you're assumption is incorrect.
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It very well could be that the MIDi file you've found does not really have a MIDI Tempo map imbedded in it. This kind of thing is common when using free downloaded MIDI files, likely the person who created the file simply left the Tempo at 120 default and then proceeded to play a MIDI keyboard and record parts, ignoring the MIDI Tempo, bars and even the Key Signature.
This is a common problem with free downloaded MIDI files.
Sometimes you can go in there and "repair" everything tediously, sometimes not.
Sometimes it is just plain easier to go searching for another MIDI file of the same song.
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Thanks everyone for your help,
My mistake I think was choosing the import file into RealBand rather than simply opening it. When I opened the file instead then the tempo changes were all there. I mistakenly imagined that importing the file into Realband would more likely also include all the tempo mapping. Anyway problem solved very simply!
Thanks again
Tony
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Hi Bob,
Thnaks for your advice - I now discover that simply opening the midi file in RealBand (rather than importing) correctly includes all tempo changes. However I tried opening the same file in BIAB2010 and it only recognises the start tempo and remains at this tempo. Obviously I can do the BIAB stuff within RealBand but wondered how you get BIAB to recognise those tempo changes?
Tony
Last edited by funkycornwall; 05/12/10 10:28 AM.
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When I referred to Biab, I was thinking of Biab songs with tempo changes in them, not midi files. Biab will play midi files but why bother when you already have Real Band? If you want to mix Biab tracks with a midi file which I do all the time, RB gives you way more options and flexibility than Biab has. I have no idea if Biab will follow the tempo changes in a midi file or not. Apparantly not.
Bob
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I do not know, sorry.
Have you tried saving it, once opened in Realband, to another .mid file with another name, and then opening that in BiaB? Maybe RB will save it in a format BiaB picks up on (?)
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Thanks for all your help - at least I now know that RealBand is fine at picking up all tempo changes - but you must simply open the MIDI file and not 'import' it for this to work.
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I could be wrong, but I would guess that by importing, RealBand presumed that you already had an arrangement (perhaps even with tempo changes itself) that you were adding the MIDI to, so it ignores those changes on import so as not to mess up the work you've already done. Just a thought.
When you open the MIDI, that's construed as a new song, so it implements those tempo changes.
But, I'm just speculating.
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Thanks for all your help - at least I now know that RealBand is fine at picking up all tempo changes - but you must simply open the MIDI file and not 'import' it for this to work.
Good troubleshooting, funkycornwall!
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