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I am still looking for the new computer, Best Buy is the only place to go, here's what I was told.......No new computers come with recovery discs!! This is the first time in a while where I had to buy a new computer and I always had the disc that would erase the disc, reformat and put back the stuff that was originally in the computer from new. Best buy for $100.00 will do this for you and with a lot of the new computers they open them and revamp them then seal them up and sell them as new, but, they tack on the extra $100.00 to the selling price. I said what the @#$% is that all about and they said that if you were to do it yourself, it would probably not work, and would take at least 5 dvd discs to do it if it worked..........I said most of the new computers don't have any software in them and it was explained to me that windows 7 is very complicated and it takes that much space. I told them that was a bunch of bull$%^&, it's an easy way for Best buy to make extra cash, and they add their bloatware and geek squad crap. I was then told that they have computers that they haven't worked on, I just had to find boxes without the yellow dot sticker........not many of them.......but if you buy one of them they can not guarantee what you do with the computer........What the hell is going on here...........Anyone else have this experience...............Thanks!!!!!!!!!! 
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Here's my chance for computer evangelization!
Buy the cheap computer of your choice without any operating system on it and install any one of the FREE Linux OSs. I use Ubuntu, but there's plenty of choice out there.
Once you've done that, install WINE, then BIAB and you're free to go.
There's several Linux users on this forum who'll help you out. Probably better if you pick the ones based in the US to save delays when asking questions on the forum.
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Buy any computer, clean out the crap, get all of the security updates, install you applications and antivirus etc., purchase Acronis True Image Home (< $50) and make an image backup onto DVD, another partition, or to an external hard drive. The image backup will be compressed down to about 50% of the used portion of the C: partition. If anything goes wrong with your OS, or if the hard drive fails you can boot up from your emergency boot disk and restore from your image backup (in less than 30 minutes) and everything will look and work just like it did when you made the image backup.
This is far better than a factory restore CD/DVD because there's no crap on it, it will have all of the security updates (as of the date of the backup) and all of your applications fully registered etc. Regardless of what caused the problem from virus attack to corrupt files, all the way to complete hard disk failure -your image backup will take you back in time. You can simply restore to a brand new hard disk (same size or larger) and you'll be up and running.
This is primarily for OS and Apps backup rather than systematic data backup, which ideally should be kept on a separate partition or a second hard drive, although you could use the imaging software for data backup if you wished. True Image has a file by file (as opposed to image) backup mode, but I generally do not use it for that. It's also great for cloning a hard disk when you want to replace your current hard drive with a larger faster one.
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Dan has the right idea for this. I wouldn't even buy a toaster from Best Buy. That whole scheme is a ripoff.
I use Linux BUT I only use it for the Internet, email and other things is best suited for. I use another computer for music and have networked them together. The music computer is Win XP. The beauty of what I use is the XP machine is totally stripped of all programs that interfere with music production and it never sees the Internet. With Linux I don't feel the need for my use of any security software. Linux is pretty secure right out of the box.
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I don't know about the other vendors, but I do know that HP offers recovery DVDs, for an added cost. Actually, unless they've changed, HP computers have a separate recovery partition on the computer when you get it and come with a utility to make your own recovery DVDs once you get it home. You should just make sure to do that first, before you inadvertently screw something up on the computer. I've done that with a couple of HPs and it works fine.
That being said, I agree with Dan Tong; you should still have some kind image software program in your software arsenal.
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Win7 backup was burned to 3 DVDs here that win7 checks after burning (data verification) to make sure they are good.
That was on the two new egg machines as well as the one Best Buy. Seems standard practice to not include DVD, but have a disk partition and/or a way to burn your own backup.
No biggie. Get a few blanks and burn the backups. Took 30-40 minutes.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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WalMart has a sale on either an HP or Compaq for $398.00 Worth a look.
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I am still looking for the new computer, Best Buy is the only place to go, here's what I was told.......No new computers come with recovery discs!!
Hi Critter,I bought a ASUS Laptop from Bestbuy several months back and yes it did not come with a backup disk or partition. As soon as you get it all fired up and running it prompts you to do the system backup which took 4 DVD's. Sounds like Bestbuy is hitting hard on the add on sales, I can confirm this because a good friend of mine is a Geek Squad tech and he told me they were cutting techs hours because of not enough add on sales. Anyway there is some good advive as what to do about backups already posted.
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Dan is right on. I do the same but with Norton Ghost (I've used it since the DOS days).
Both Ghost and Acronis have good reputations.
I back up to two different external USB drives. One for daily incremental backups and the other for monthly complete images. I copy the original image to DVD and stash it away in a drawer.
BTW, my ThinkPads don't come with a recovery disk, but if you ask before the warranty is up, they will send you one -- or at least they used to. I don't ask anymore since I prefer the Ghost image.
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.. I do the same but with Norton Ghost ..
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Had to giggle
I've thought the same thing many times, but never bothered to post it.
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I've thought the same thing many times, but never bothered to post it.
There must be a joke here, but I seem to be missing it? 
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Had to giggle
I've thought the same thing many times, but never bothered to post it.
There must be a joke here, but I seem to be missing it?
Norton Ghost / posted by Bob "Notes" Norton, maybe?
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Thanks for all the input, it is unreal the way retailers try to screw you any way they can. As for Silvertones, will check into those and then check Cnet for reviews. Any other brands out there for my low range $500.00 with a decent processor, I've always had intel but if Amd has something I'd give them a try. I know in some tests on Tom's Hardware Amd is faster, Let me know. Thanks
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Yeah, that was what made me giggle. Norton prefer's Norton's ghost. As for Best Buy, I guess I'm just used to telling them no when they start with the upselling. Burning the disks was no big deal to me. I had already done it with the two systems from Newegg so I kind of expected it. I can see getting turned off by the attempt, but when they have the best price on something I want, I'll go thru it rather than spite them at my cost. They have handled returns and such fairly with me so I don't see it as a deal breaker. If you want to see the opposite approach try going to ABC warehouse and look at something, then mention you want to run over to Best Buy and check there too; they'll start dropping prices and offering free accessories to keep you there. I've gotten a few great deals from them that way. (having been to BB first and knowing I was getting a deal already)  Like I said, I go into both places expecting them to do what they do.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Since my last experience with Best Buy, I urge others to check the return policy for "restocking fees" before purchasing a major component like a Pc. When I bought a laptop from Best Buy, everything seemed to function properly, but I discovered I could not successfully ghost an image of the hard drive. Using the modest diagnostic software at my disposal, I finally narrowed the problem down to a possible faulty ram chip. So I returned the laptop and discovered Best Buy wanted to charge me a 15% restocking fee.
When I protested on the grounds the laptop was defective, I was forced to wait while a "geek" squad member ran diagnostic tests. Fortunately, at that time, the diagnostics were conducted in an area where the customer could observe the testing process. After 3 hours of standing at the counter and watching the laptop pass test after test, errors in the ram began to show up and the diagnostic software finally halted itself while still displaying those errors. Of course, I still had to stand at the counter for quite a bit longer waiting for a manager to officially concede the laptop was indeed defective and no restocking fee would be required.
I finally bought a comparable laptop from Walmart simply because of their more lenient return policy if I encountered a similar problem. By the way, I am currently tempted to buy an eMachines ET1331G-03w ($398) I recently saw at Walmart.
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Interesting. Maybe when I returned something it was as an exchange so I didn't encounter that issue. (?)
BTW that is a nice looking eMachines. What I'd look for that is not mentioned would be PCI slots and available drive slots just to be sure. Otherwise seems like plenty of processing and storage on it. Card reader seems like it reads eveyrthing. Nice find.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Besides for liking the name, "Norton", I got it way before Acronis got into the game, and since it has always worked for me, I see no reason to switch.
I wish I made money from it though!!!
I did dump Norton Anti-Virus for a competitor though because it gave me problems too often requiring a complete removal and re-installation.
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I did dump Norton Anti-Virus for a competitor though because it gave me problems too often requiring a complete removal and re-installation.
Norton AV hiccups required a fresh installation of Norton here too after running for about just 3 months. Unfortunately the S/W geniuses at Norton were unable to recognize an otherwise valid license period of about some 3/4 year. Norton robber-barons required a fresh fee for another *1 year* license, despite my rather new purchase of this package. I felt seriously robbed and turned away from Norton for good ...
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