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My son bought my wife and I tickets for this Wynton Marsalis concert, and my wife is even taking 2 days off so we can go, plus I've got a $100 gift certificate for a nice restaurant. Music, food, and a really nice hotel. I feel rheumantic already. 
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My son bought my wife and I tickets for this Wynton Marsalis concert, and my wife is even taking 2 days off so we can go, plus I've got a $100 gift certificate for a nice restaurant. Music, food, and a really nice hotel. I feel rheumantic already.
Should be very enjoyable, I just hope he doesn't play "fever".
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I saw him and the Lincoln Center Orchestra on PBS the other day. He was here in Vegas a few weeks ago. I'm sorry I missed it.
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Nice of your son an' all, but for me Wynton has been a polarising and negative influence on jazz the past 30 years and while there's no doubting his instrumental command I don't think anyone has the right to trash major figures in the music the way he has over the years.
Hope you enjoy it though.
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John, don't know if it already happened, but glad for you both. Enjoy every second of it...  Quote:
Nice of your son an' all, but for me Wynton has been a polarising and negative influence on jazz the past 30 years and while there's no doubting his instrumental command I don't think anyone has the right to trash major figures in the music the way he has over the years.
Hope you enjoy it though.
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Just reading your post. It's not that I agree or disagree with you. Can't say that I followed much of Wynton Marsalis. But I was just curious about what you meant. Were you talking about his attitude toward other musicians in general ? Or toward jazz ? The way he plays it ? Once I heard an album he did on T. Monk. Must say I liked his arrangements. Don't like his New Orleans stuff though.
Best of all and hope your day is a nice one
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I know to much about this and that, the who was a misogynist and who was a racist stuff. Interesting from a social point, but close your eyes and it has little to do with music. When the song and the improvisation are in your head the participants could be Eskimos for all I care, it's music.
I might also mention that this is a Massey Hall, and that alone is a worthwhile journey, no hall I've been in has the acoustics that you find there. The history is interesting too. I admit most of my pilgrimages to Massey have been for Gordon Lightfoot concerts, he plays a few days there every year, since the 60's, except for one year I think.
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Bonjour, Pierre:
Here is a relevant and interesting thread about Wynton and other things from this forum, last year.
http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.p...true#Post242334
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Thanks for the insight. Wasn't thinking of going up that alley though...
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but close your eyes and it has little to do with music. When the song and the improvisation are in your head the participants could be Eskimos for all I care, it's music.
+1 John. But did I already say too much...
Best of all and hope your day is a nice one
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Yes, John... Massey Hall, special sound. It's on my bucket list. Here is yet another video of "The Weight," sans Robbie and others this time, from Massey -- sounds great, I bet you've heard this one. Is that Rick Danko? And it resolves an ancient debate: It IS "Fanny" and not "Annie." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ism9itDvKTkAlso, Neil Young "Live at Massey Hall" sounds just terrific, recorded back about 1970, but not released until just a couple of years ago. Daisy
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I know to much about this and that, the who was a misogynist and who was a racist stuff. Interesting from a social point, but close your eyes and it has little to do with music. When the song and the improvisation are in your head the participants could be Eskimos for all I care, it's music.
Now there is one for th wishlist . . . Eskimo styles and real tracs!
Sorry sometime I just can't stop myself.
Later,
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I was talking about his lack of respect for people like Miles Davis (who's 'electric' jazz-rock output isn't to Wynton's liking) and his general disdain for any jazz-related music after 1965 that doesn't accord with his narrow criteria of what 'jazz' is supposed to be (irrespective of whether the actual music aspires to this aesthetic).
That's fine in a way, no one has to like every style, but Marsalis has a tendency to fundamentalize his opinions as if they were indisputable facts rather than aesthetic judgements. He doesn't simply express dislike for modernist music so much as he tries to make a very selective cultural case for seeing it as some kind of dereliction of duty in what he sees as the endless fight to preserve (in aspic no doubt)the essence of 'true' jazz from corrupting non-jazz influences. Ironically in attempting to see this issue in purely stylistic/technical terms his own music is often lacking in the exploratory spontaneity and openness to new approaches that characterises jazz at its best.
What is galling about this is the fact that his ubiquitous diatribes have allowed him to become an arbiter of taste for a great deal of the American jazz audience, recording industry, media and many aspiring musicians of the newer generation. This can only auger badly for the music's future as anything more than a museum piece stuck in a time warp.
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As I say, I'm going to close my mind to the external noise. Heaven knows Marsalis does not like a lot of 'stuff'. Miles Davis was almost as bad. Closed minds. There is a book I read at the library, (well most of it...). I found this comment about it on-line.
"Yet, according to veteran jazz trumpeter and composer Randall Sandke, a meddlesome reverse-racism colors the jazz world today. In his thoughtful, deeply-researched new book, Where the Dark and the Light Folks Meet: Race and the Mythology, Politics, and Business of Jazz, Sandke traces the devolution of jazz from a welcoming, porous, joyously-American musical artform to a divisive, conformist, social engineering tool.." *
Charles Winecoff - Wynton Marsalis, Doris Day, Reverse Racism – and All That Jazz
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So I'm going for the music, not the politics, I will however view the musical selection as an extension of WM's outlook, and see if he breaks any barriers. I would prefer my jazz at 3 a.m. in a smoke filled room with lots of adult beverages, sweat, warts and attempts to resolve because heck somewhere it's a note away. However take what you can get, you never know what day you won't get it at all.
That's my point so.
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That sounds like an essential book by Sandke, thanks for the heads-up. Randy Sandke's music in case you haven't heard it is the best answer to Wynton, open to all sorts of new harmonic possibilities but without becoming some sort of third-stream exercise. In short its got that '3am smoke filled room sweat factor' you mention in abundance. Enjoy the show, you never know, they just play out of their proverbial skins on the night against all the odds.
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John, I am sure you are going to have a very enjoyable eveining. We saw Wynton at the Flynn Arts Center in Burlington VT. I digress briefly with a little bit of bragging? We have a friend in Stowe that we went to visit about 4 years ago. His father who lives just off central park in Manhattan graciousl loaned us his apartment/condo, as well as babysitting Marc's children. Our first night in New York we took in the Clapton-Cream concert in Madison Square Gardens. The third night we took in Sonny Rhodes at the Blue Note. Unfortunately our schedule didn`t allow us to see Les Paul at the Iridium. Anyway we flew back to Burlington with every intention of heading directly back to Stowe when we saw the poster that Wynton was playing at the `Flynn` that night. We were fortunate enough to get tickets and the performance was `awesome`! Wynton shared the stage and featured fellow band mates, and his performance was steller. The front rows were full of high school muscians that he had given a jazz class to that afternoon. He is known for his musical charity. His performance was the cherry on top of the musical sundae we had enjoyed for a few days. Good listening!DennisD
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Stowe VT. Man I was there but hardly remember it. Early 80's a bunch of times. Ski bus. I don't ski. But the organizers promised there were more women than men on the bus (true) and we left at like 3 a.m. and left Stowe at 3 a.m. to come home. Yikes. I was doing the apres ski thing at 2 a.m. for a warm up before leaving.
I'm glad for the review. I'm sure I'll post one myself.
For the jazzers I posted this riddle elsewhere. Who was a friend if Bix, played cornet and gave it up, piano player, lawyer, named after a circus act and went to Indiana University. He complained before he died he had a trunk full of unpublished music.
Who is it?
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And had a samwich named after him?? The hoagie?
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That's him. I was reading some of Hoagy Carmichael's biography and he comes across as very bitter, his music was being rejected too much in his opinion.
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In short its got that '3am smoke filled room sweat factor' you mention in abundance. Enjoy the show, you never know, they just play out of their proverbial skins on the night against all the odds.
Alan
That would be the goal. As to the 3 a.m. thing there's an age and a frailty that can go with it that ends that. Adult beverages, well I've had a few, but then again, too few to mention any more. Like one a week, maybe two. Now if you count coffee, oh dear. I see a new trend here, the local blues bar starts the band at 8:15. It's only a few blocks from here, maybe when the weather gets better I can make the first set. I was cleaning out my drawer on the weekend and realized I still had a nice box of cuban cigars I brought back from Havana. Travel agent phoned me a few days ago, plane leaving the local airport (15 minute drive) for Havana, one week, meals, drinks, hotel, airfare for 550$ tax in. The wife can't go and I'd practically need a nurse. Nice trip though. Takes just over 2 hours and you are in the tropics. I liked the cars.
The wife and I split a light beer at 10:30 last night after playing flute/piano for 2 hours (spirituals then Rod Stewart's Great American Song Book). 1/2 light beer is pretty lame. Missed the news. Didn't miss the Saturday Dance though. Key of C. I gotta figure out something for that C D D# E lick on the bass, it's stale. Historical but stale. Like my Cubans.
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Daisy,
Thanks for the link. Very good thread.
I'm not a fan of Marsalis opinions.
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To John and those who love Wynton Marsalis's music, Enjoy.
I love Monk. But I've also cleared a room when putting his music on. lol
To each his and her own.
Wayne,
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