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I'm am getting this msg in biab 11 audiophile usually at least once with in any 10 minute period. Which then initiates a complete lockdown of the biab app. It then takes an eternity of dos lugubriosity to shut down the program. I got similar behavior today in windoze explorer minus the access police report. All that was missing was the sirens and the stupid glasses. In biab one of these violations reads:
access [Email]violation@addressmodbbw.exe004C1CSEwrite[/Email] of address 2BBCBCCC@ 004C1CSE. Not sure about the spaces in the latter part. I wrote it down yesterday. I would like to end this windoze crap and get back to work. Thanks for listening.
XP 32 sp 3 four gig ram, 2.8Ghz dual amd
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Hello Ron,
1. Is there any pattern you can identify, as to when the error occurs? For example, does it happen with certain songs, or when you are doing a certain task?
2. Please describe your MIDI and audio setup - what are your MIDI input/output drivers, are you using a DXi synth, what kind of sound card, MME or ASIO drivers?
Andrew
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latest everything as far as drivers are concerned. fasttrack pro midi/audio interface, exp 32 sp3, amd dual 2.8 processor 4 gig ram. I'm told you have to choose a dxi with audiofile 11. Any time I open biab on this pc it crashes. I've been told by TS my mb is dying or dead, my audio interface is dying or dead and the next day I played a three hour gig with no crashes. That was the last time. Gail said reinstall on puter hard drive w/audio on Tera drive. Still crashes as of yesterday, some times spontaneously or when I click somewhere in the app. The end app. in windoze is glacial in it's speed. I have spent hours of my life waiting for this software to shut down because of a feeze then I get to click too many times to make really really really sure I actually, really, honestly want to shut down. This is why it's good not to keep a pistol near the computer.
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ron.. puters can be naughty beasts at the best of times. reasons can be many. i'm on dual core amd with biab no probs so far. please could you run this utility , dpc checker n report back . http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtmloften it can be the sound interface giving a problem . lots of reasons. is this a lappie ??
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latest everything as far as drivers are concerned. fasttrack pro midi/audio interface, exp 32 sp3, amd dual 2.8 processor 4 gig ram. I'm told you have to choose a dxi with audiofile 11. Any time I open biab on this pc it crashes. I've been told by TS my mb is dying or dead, my audio interface is dying or dead and the next day I played a three hour gig with no crashes. That was the last time. Gail said reinstall on puter hard drive w/audio on Tera drive. Still crashes as of yesterday, some times spontaneously or when I click somewhere in the app. The end app. in windoze is glacial in it's speed. I have spent hours of my life waiting for this software to shut down because of a feeze then I get to click too many times to make really really really sure I actually, really, honestly want to shut down. This is why it's good not to keep a pistol near the computer.
Ron
***Sometimes long editing sessions inside BiaB chews up resources, so the very first thing I always do when confronted with such shenanigans is to Reboot the Computer and then check operation with BB.
If no joy there:
**Have you tried, inside BiaB, Options -> Return to Factory Settings -> Button number 2 (the second one down) - this will reset your MIDI and Audio selections using the Wizard that pops up when you first install the program. I have found that this one will sometimes correct things that have gone wrong with the way the program finds the Audio and MIDI drivers.**
*If attempting to use ASIO sound drivers with more than one Audio program open at the same time (such as one minimized but not closed down completely) it is possible to get errors such as this one as ASIO wants to be a "one man dog" in order to get the lower latency accomplished. Answer to this problem is to switch to Windows Sound (MME in BiaB, which, with your XP system would really be the WDM) such that only one Audio Proggie is attempting to call your ASIO drivers at the same time.
You don't necessarily *have* to use a DXi synth, it is just typically the better sounding synth available when software synths are all that you have. For example, I use hardware synths as well as the DXi software synths. However, when you are not using a DXi synth you lose the ability to do the fast "Direct Render" of songs to Audio and instead have to record the performance to audio from start to finish.
**If the Return to Factory dance above yields no joy, be sure to check the hard drive(s) involved and DEFRAG them whether Windows reports that they don't need it right now or not. Windows has no idea about the things we do with Audio and wrote that diskcheck code as regards their idea of a "typical" user, in other words filetypes like word processing, etc. and not streaming audio. I have sometimes found that a good overnight Defrag of all of the disks in use can stop things like this from happening in BiaB.
Good Luck,
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I just had a big long discussion and when I looked up it was gone so I'll summarize.
With BIAB open go to the TaskManager and set the AFFINITY for BIAB to a single core and see what happens.If this works get "process Lasso" this will let you permanently set the AFFINITIES for RB,BIAB & PT. It also let's you put the computer into gaming mode when you open RB,BIAB&or PT.
Cured my issues.I do not think PG programs were designed around duel cores and may create issues on some machines. It did on both of mine.
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John, when I "look up and it was gone", I try Control+Z immediately.
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In another discussion, a staffer from PG Music stated that BIAB does take advantage of dual core processors, so perhaps that may not be the cause of problems you had.
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John, when I "look up and it was gone", I try Control+Z immediately.
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In another discussion, a staffer from PG Music stated that BIAB does take advantage of dual core processors, so perhaps that may not be the cause of problems you had.
I'll try ctrl Z next time.
My issue was in RB & locking RB to one processor cured my problems on both machines.It was a case of stuttering scroll line and the scroll line stopping while the music continued. I solved it by using a discrete thread & disabling duel core on both machines. Works like a charm. Has for months.If BIAB takes advantage of duel cores it still MAY be disruptive. Might be worth a try.Only takes a second to try.
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Thanks for the info. You might want to send that report to James Chandler Jr.
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Silvertones,Mac, Matt and Manning1, thank you very much for the help. I will check out each of your suggestions with care. Windows is not my first computer `language' so some of what you advise won't be clear to me till in get into it and see what the terms refer to. But I'm greatful to you all for taking the time.
Ron
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Hi Manning. Ran the app thank you. The thing says this machine should be able to run audio and streaming apps or something to that effect. Hmmmmmmmm not exactly true in my little part of the world. I'm also not having dropouts. Just way too many lock ups which necessitate windoz glacial program shut down procedure. I was getting access violation notices which crash on closing the screen or just a lockup with no notice of anything lately.
Ron
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Hello Mac and thank you. I will respond with in your text which is enclosed in ***'s
***Sometimes long editing sessions inside BiaB chews up resources, so the very first thing I always do when confronted with such shenanigans is to Reboot the Computer and then check operation with BB.***
I have tons of resourses.
***no joy there:
**Have you tried, inside BiaB, Options -> Return to Factory Settings -> Button number 2 (the second one down) - this will reset your MIDI and Audio selections using the Wizard that pops up when you first install the program. I have found that this one will sometimes correct things that have gone wrong with the way the program finds the Audio and MIDI drivers.***
Haven't tried that. My problems seem to be locking up the program not sound output in nature. Are you saying that the return to factory settings button will address the lock up if it's not a dirver problem? *If attempting to use ASIO sound drivers with more than one Audio program open at the same time (such as one minimized but not closed down completely) it is possible to get errors such as this one as ASIO wants to be a "one man dog" in order to get the lower latency accomplished. Answer to this problem is to switch to Windows Sound (MME in BiaB, which, with your XP system would really be the WDM) such that only one Audio Proggie is attempting to call your ASIO drivers at the same time.***
I never use more than one i/o setup.
***You don't necessarily *have* to use a DXi synth, it is just typically the better sounding synth available when software synths are all that you have. For example, I use hardware synths as well as the DXi software synths. However, when you are not using a DXi synth you lose the ability to do the fast "Direct Render" of songs to Audio and instead have to record the performance to audio from start to finish.***
I was told that on the phone talking with TS. You have to choose one would be and approximate quote.
**If the Return to Factory dance above yields no joy, be sure to check the hard drive(s) involved and DEFRAG them whether Windows reports that they don't need it right now or not. Windows has no idea about the things we do with Audio and wrote that diskcheck code as regards their idea of a "typical" user, in other words filetypes like word processing, etc. and not streaming audio. I have sometimes found that a good overnight Defrag of all of the disks in use can stop things like this from happening in BiaB.***
Good Luck,
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Thanks Mac
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In past times, I've had a memory stick that had a bad chip so when that area was accessed, I've had crashes with BIAB & RB. Rama-Dama-Lama-Ding-Dong on an older win2000 single core system. It still works til I try to edit and playback too many times, then crashes.
Someone here might have a link to a ram checking utility.
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Ron, just a quick comment about resources as per Mac's post. It isn't what you start with, it's what you finish with that's important.
A program that has a memory leak, for example, may work fine until you exit, then start it again, then exit etc. a few times. All of a sudden, you are "out of resources". Resources in this context can mean many things, not just processor speed and RAM. Registers overflow, for example, and unless you know Assembler, you aren't going to be able to follow their progress easily, although Task Manager along with other utilities can get you close. Also, this problem would not be revealed by the excellent and highly-recommend DPC Latency Checker.
The cure in Windows is to do a reboot periodically. This is something I have to force myself to do, because my Windows 7 64-bit OS running on an SSD is so stable, I have not had even one blue screen in nine months.
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