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Hi All. I'm trying to work in editable notation mode. I quite like this, and am getting quite quick. But I find the only way to delete a note is to right click and then delete from the menu. This is a bit slow - but if I have to delete all the notes in a bar or more, its realllllly slow.
Is there a faster way? I've tried "wiping" and right click, as you would with text, but delete isnt in the drop down options.
Also - I find I can edit both Midi and RT tracks - but the RT edits are not effected. Given the way RTs generate, it seems unlikely this would be possible.
Assuming RT cant be edited, can I suggest it would be sensible to disallow editing mode for RTs?
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The right-click method is the only way I know to delete in that mode.
EDIT: I WAS ENTIRELY WRONG -- SEE JFORD POST BELOW.
But it takes only milliseconds to shift to the next mode (Note Roll, or something like that), where you can use the delete key. Shift back when the deletions are done, if you like.
Editable notation shows you more detail about what your final notation will look like. But note roll has several advantages of its own (like quickly dragging those lines for duration and velocity). Changing modes is so easy there's no reason not to do it constantly, wherever it might help.
Last edited by allis; 01/31/11 01:23 PM.
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A quick way to delete notes is to hold down the Delete key and then Left-clicking on the note(s) while continuing to hold the Delete key down.
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Yes: What John says.
I forgot that worked in Editable, too. Sorry.
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For a more efficient deletion of one measure or more, use Edit, Erase From .. To. The dialog box will allow you to select whether it's the Melody or Soloist track, and how many bars to erase.
For areas not corresponding to a full measure, you could highlight the notes and do Edit, Cut. This works in the Editable Notation Mode or the Staff Roll Notation Mode.
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The notes representing RealTrack instruments would be regenerated each time you press Play. Even if you freeze the track, editing the notes would have no effect, so I guess it does make sense to disable the editing there (still trying to think of a reason why not). Plus, not all RealTracks even have notation; you can tell by looking at the underlining convention used on the green instrument name.
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OK thats great. Somehow I hadnt tried delete and left click - works OK but feels cack-handed somehow.
And highlight and then cut works quickly for multiple note/bar deletions.
Excellent - thanks for ultra quick responses. Of course it would help if I wrote the correct notes to start with. Or maybe if I write bum notes, then when I play bum notes it'll work out OK?
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The QWERTY Wizard is a very fast way to enter notes on the Melody track. The BiaB FAQ page describes how to do this: Quote:
32.Can I enter a melody into Band-in-a-Box using the computer keyboard?
Here is a method that you can use to record a melody into Band-in-a-Box using the computer keyboard:
Go to the Play menu and make sure 'Wizard Playalong Feature' is enabled.
Start recording.
Choose any key on your computer keyboard (N for example) and strike it in time with the notes of your melody. The idea here is not to get the note pitches right, just the durations.
When you have finished, keep the take. Next, put the Notation Window into editable notation mode. From here, you can step forward or backward note by note using the keypad "Ins" and "Del" keys. While doing so, you can use the up-down arrow keys to change the pitch each note. This method works great for non-keyboardists, and is also useful for adjusting existing melodies.
That last part, dragging the notes to the proper place on staff, is faster than entering notes one at a time and the plus here is that you can record the line getting all the rhythm figures pretty much exactly where you want them as determines by when you tap a key on the qwerty keyboard. I use this method quite a bit when on the road with the laptop away from my MIDI controller keyboards and guitars where I can't just play the desired Melody while recording in realtime. Works a treat and this is yet another pgmusic feature that borders on genius IMO.
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Hi Mac. Well I tried that - and it would be great except that there is quite a delay betwwen htting the key and getting the note. I guess thats what you call latency? The delay is probably only a fraction of a second, but this makes it very difficlt to use, even if its only a simple rhythym.
BTW I'm using the latest brand of coal and have a full head of steam (Win 7 4GB RAM etc)
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That is a function of your chosen MIDI synth and maybe the Audio driver as well.
With ASIO sound and a DXi synth, I have zero latency probs.
If ASIO is unavailable, there still may be ways to get rid of the latency as well, using MME Windows Sound drivers, depending upon your machine, sound device and MIDI synth.
Experiment with the "Route MIDI Thru..." checked or unchecked in the MIDI output window.
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Hi Mac. TBH I dont know what ASIO or Dxi is. I tried playing with the driver settings and couldnt get it any better.
Would be nice to get it sorted. I dont have external keyboard and am just using onboard sound, but laptop is pretty new. Win 7 64 bit, Dual core T4300 2.1GHz, 4Gb RAM. AM using the default BIaB settings.
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Hi Mac. TBH I dont know what ASIO or Dxi is. I tried playing with the driver settings and couldnt get it any better.
Would be nice to get it sorted. I dont have external keyboard and am just using onboard sound, but laptop is pretty new. Win 7 64 bit, Dual core T4300 2.1GHz, 4Gb RAM. AM using the default BIaB settings.
The Help files plus the online FAQs should help you here.
You are going to have to find out at least a cursory amount of info on these things in order to work with the program.
You can search the Help files as well as the online FAQs for keywords and only deal with one thing at a time and not have to wade through a lot of information not pertinent to what you need to know right now.
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Hi Mac. well, I've spent several hours looking at this, and am not sure I'm much wiser.
So far as I can see, Midi tracks essentially make "sound commands" which are not audio files. This requires a device (hardware or software?) of some sort to interpret the sound. This could be external or internal. Presumably I have such a device, because I can hear Midi sounds when using BiaB.
This device requires a driver, but the driver I have is not adequate.
It looks like ASIO drivers are the thing to have, so long as one's sound card supports them. I have downloaded ASIO4ALL, and it looks to have installed correctly.
Now the problem I have is that if I go inot BiaB audio settings and selct the ASIO driver, rather then the MME driver, I cant get any sound at all - not even on RT or RD ie non Midi. Ive tried restarting Win and BiaB, but no joy. I still get sound elsewhere in Win.
ANy ideas please?
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Couple of oversimplified thoughts:
MME on BIAB is not MME. It is WDM, which is much better. They just never updated that prompt in the dialog.
ASIO4All is not ASIO. It is a WDM driver with a "wrapper" to make it function like an ASIO driver.
ASIO is not always better than WDM. It depends on the driver provided by the manufacturer. The Tascam I'm using, for example, performs much better with WDM.
The only reason most people NEED to use ASIO, if at all, is for recording, when you can get better (less) latency, but only if the driver for your particular equipment works better with it.
Soundcards usually have some sort of control panel where you can experiment with lowering the latency.
It is best to turn off the Windows system sounds on a PC used to make music.
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Hi Matt.
Thanks for the input - but I am now even more confused!
The query in my original post has been addressed by a number of contributors for which I'm very grateful.
This has now wandered off the original topic, so Im going to make a fresh post to try and resolve the driver issue.
thanks all
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Like Mac said Tommohawk, at some point you're going to have to take a break and do some studying on what midi is and how it works and what we mean when we say "drivers", "ASIO" and other arcane terminology. Without a basic understanding of this, you're dead. You can start by going to Mac's website Audiominds in his sig and click on the tab in the upper left "Getting Started". There's some good info there.
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+1 to Bob's advice and Mac's.
+1 to a separate thread for a separate problem.
Good luck!
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Hi Bob.
You're right I'm sure. But I'm not quite the top flight dunce that I appear. I'm just not familiar with sound recording. I do understand what drivers are for example. But I dont understand why I have to wait 1/2 a second for a beep when I hit a key, or why I have to spend hours and hours getting to know the ins and outs of sound software. And I have now spent hours trying to sort this.
This is a general software gripe rather than a BiaB gripe.
Sorry Bob - got a bit hot under the collar - all under control now.
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I would be very surprised if each of us did NOT spend hours getting things set up, somewhere along the line. The good news is that, once you figure it out, things should be fine until you upgrade. And each step makes you smarter.
You might do well to start that other thread now, with a specific new thread title that will attract more folks who know about the latency issues.
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