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HI I am considering buying Biab because I hope it will help me to play jazz better.
But why else would you use this product? Just wondering.
Is anyone using it to compose for live performance, Film, or Musical theater productions? If so, how is it useful for these types of productions?
I compose at home with Cubase. Can I use Biab and Cubase together? Is so, why would I ?
Thanks Jeff
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Complete details of how I use BiaB to make backing tracks and how I use the backing tracks on stage can be accessed here: http://www.nortonmusic.com/backing_tracks.htmlI wrote this page so I don't have to re-type it every time the question is asked. Notes ♫
Bob "Notes" Norton  Norton Music
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100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
& Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks
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Notes, That's quite an impressive workflow, How about a video of the entire process... 
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Q. Is anyone using it to compose for live performance, Film, or Musical theater productions? If so, how is it useful for these types of productions? I compose at home with Cubase. ==================================================================== THe answer is yes to all of the above of those questions. The best answer to a musical question is to have some musical examples to listen to. The best place to look would be the User Showcase Forum ( http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=usershowcase ), which has about 400 songs composed by forum members (about 100 new songs per month!). These songs were arranged using Band-in-a-Box, and then finished in a DAW (RealBand, SOnar, CUbase, GarageBand etc.). So you'll be hearing Band-in-a-Box tracks + user added tracks (e.g. vocals). If you browse those, and listen to them, you'll get a feel of who is using the program, and for what. Note that the User Showcase is only for original songs, so you wouldn't be hearing popular Broadway tunes for example. >>> Can I use Biab and Cubase together? Is so, why would I ? Yes. You can drag and drop files from Band-in-a-Box to Cubase. You would do this as part of the normal workflow of creating a finished production. Start the song in BB, generate the tracks, move them to Cubsae, then record additional parts yourself (vocals etc) in Cubase, or edit the RealTracks. THere's a video showing the workflow of transferring songs to a DAW on the main Mac BB page http://www.pgmusic.com/bbmac.demos.htm (the video is called ) Band-in-a-Box DAW Plug-in mode.
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Peter Gannon
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Thanks for the input everybody. I really appreciate it. Below I have added some questions to Peter’s comments.
So my question here is, why would you not just use your DAW to do your songs? Is it because the groove is better with BIAB or what? I would probably input into Cubase because I have really good sounding virtual instruments. So, if my instruments are better sounding in Cubase then why would I buy BIAB?
I am still thinking that most people use BB as a tool to help them learn to play jazz better. Is that correct? That is what I am interested in the most. But as I mentioned before, I am a composer for film, musical theater, and modern dance. How or why would I use BB to help me create music for one of those productions rather than using a DAW? What is BB giving me that a DAW cannot?
And in general, I am just curious how users of BB are implementing it into their musical lives.
Thanks for the links Peter. When I get the chance I will have a look.
And thanks Notes for your input. I may find that useful if I use backing tracks for a show.
Jeff
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>>> So my question here is, why would you not just use your DAW to do your songs? Is it because the groove is better with BIAB or what?
Jeff,
Band-in-a-Box creates the tracks for you, You type in chords (Fm7 etc.) , pick a style, and press Play. You then have several tracks (bass, drums, guitar etc.)
Your typical DAW doesn't do that. It requires you to play the parts yourself. If you can play all the parts, and you want to do that, then you wouldn't need Band-in-a-Box. But usually there is at least one instrument that you *can't* play (e.g. pedal steel), that you can get by typing in chords to BB.
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Peter Gannon
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Ok , is there a Demo available?
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Ok , is there a Demo available?
No, just many videos of the program in action.
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>>> Ok , is there a Demo available?
It is impractical for us to make a demo, since a large part of BB is content (RealTracks files etc), for which it would be hard to make a demo for those.
Instead of a demo, you can buy the program with an unconditional 30 day MBG. If you don't like it, return it for a full refund.
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Peter Gannon
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So my question here is, why would you not just use your DAW to do your songs? Is it because the groove is better with BIAB or what? I would probably input into Cubase because I have really good sounding virtual instruments. So, if my instruments are better sounding in Cubase then why would I buy BIAB?
I am still thinking that most people use BB as a tool to help them learn to play jazz better. Is that correct? That is what I am interested in the most. But as I mentioned before, I am a composer for film, musical theater, and modern dance. How or why would I use BB to help me create music for one of those productions rather than using a DAW? What is BB giving me that a DAW cannot?
Hi Jeff,
I don't think that you've quite got your head around what BiaB does. It's very different from Cubase in that it can actually CREATE the tracks for you. With DAWs you can either play all the instruments yourself as audio files or you can use a midi keyboard or similar. But you still have to compose, arrange and input it all yourself. That's fine if you're a competent drummer, pianists, guitar player, trumpeter, sax player, composer, arranger, etc. But few of us are masters of the whole lot. Most of us probably have one or two instruments that we're OK at and not much more than a general idea of the rest.
At the most basic level you can input just a modest chord progression, select the style you'd like it played in, and BiaB will do the rest - compose an entire compatible arrangement featuring drums, piano, guitar, or whatever has been chosen. Of course, you can then change, re-arrange, edit, whatever you like or choose to play most of the instruments yourself, or write in the melody as well as the chords, or ..... whatever. It's very flexible.
For your jazz you could make endless backing tracks in many styles, leave a gap for your input, or copy one of of the parts, or..... anything you like.
Chris
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Ok thanks Chris.
So if I just want to practice Jazz, is the cheapest version of BB going to be enough?
thanks Jeff
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That's quite an impressive workflow, How about a video of the entire process...
Thanks.
No time nor the software for a video. Too busy writing new styles, sequencing new songs for my duo http://www.s-cats.com and running the day-to-day operations of Norton Music http://www.nortonmusic.com
I've been using BiaB since the Atari/DOS/Motorola Mac days, and I find it a very useful program. The output is better than a lot of bands I've heard, but not quite as good as the best bands (yet).
The output by it's nature is also a bit generic. And it has to be. I wrote a style specifically for the song "Don't Be Cruel" and what I found out was that if you put song specific licks into a style, the style is good only for that song. Generic styles are more versatile.
That's why I export the data from Band-in-a-Box as a MIDI file, import the MIDI file into a sequencer (Master Tracks Pro, Sonar, Cubase, etc.) and put the finishing touches on the song there. This turns the very good output of BiaB into something that rivals the most excellent bands.
You mentioned using BiaB as a tool to practice jazz. Having the BiaB band is an excellent way to practice. You can mute any of the instruments you want, you can change the key and tempo independently of each other, change the style, and even change the arrangement.
While the 'music minus one' disks (like the Jamey Aebersold products) may have better, more song-specific arrangements, with Band-in-a-Box you get the flexibility of not only what I mentioned in the above paragraph, but the ability to practice to almost any song, as long as you can find the chord progression. The "M.M.O." disks are limited to the availability of titles published and the keys and tempos of the songs.
Of course both have their pros and cons, but for me BiaB is the ultimate practice tool.
If you want auto-accompaniment software, I don't believe you can do better than Band-in-a-Box.
Insights and incites by Notes ♫
Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music
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HI I am considering buying Biab because I hope it will help me to play jazz better.
So Jeff, it appears you compose and arrange for which BIAB is a unique tool for you since it provides the music and sound you need for your compositons. However, when you say "...help me to play jazz better " , do you play an instrument?
I have just spent the last hour running scales and arpeggios on my guitar over a I, vi, ii, V progression I entered into BIAB. Played alone with a Bass, Drums and piano rhythm section in multiple keys at multiple tempos. this kind of woodshedding is one of BIAB's strengths for improving your Jazz play and feel.
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Ok thanks Chris.
So if I just want to practice Jazz, is the cheapest version of BB going to be enough?
thanks Jeff
First you are going to need all the Jazz Real Tracks at $420 :
Jazz Real Tracks
Then you could likely get by with Mega Pak at $269 or the Pro pak at $129
Mega Pak
However, a better value will be the UltraPlus Pak at $469 since if will include the Jazz RT's and all other RTs.
UltraPLus Pak
Just do the Math and buy as much as you can. Hint - wait for the holiday sales...
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Hi , yes I play the........French Horn. That's right, unusual but it's what I do best.
Ok I am hearing good responses. I think BB can be helpful to me learning jazz better.
But would the Cheapest version be ok for just practicing jazz? Or do I need some other version?
Thanks
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Sorry I didn't see you response about which to buy. Thanks again to ALL!
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Jazzmandan, why do I need the Jazz Real Tracks?
Is the basic version just very poor sounding with no realism?
jeff
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The basic version is called "Pro". It comes with 200 MIDI styles (out of 1700 total). There are lots of jazz MIDI styles in there, maybe 50 or so. In terms of realism, the "RealTracks" styles are much better sounding, because they are actual audio recordings of top musicians. For example, in the jazz category, the bass part is typically played by Neil Swainson (George Shearing's bass player), Drums by Terry Clarke, guitar by Oliver Gannon, piano by Miles Black. Or for Smooth Jazz, you have Elec. Piano by Jeff Lorber, sax soloing by Eric Marienthal (Chick Corea's sax player). In terms of jazz only, the Pro version has these 2 "bands" Jazz Swing 140 Medium-Slow Jazz Quartet 110 In terms of jazz only, the Mega version has the same bands as the Pro version, plus these additional ones: JazzBallad 85 Jazz Bebop 190 Jazz Waltz 140 SmoothCool Jazz 100 THe UltraPak has over 600 RealTracks, compared to 70 in the MegaPAK, and 20 in the Pro version. The UltraPAK has about 200 Jazz RealTracks (200 Country, 200 Pop/Rock). Compared to the Mega, the UltraPAK has many more jazz styles (Ballad 60, Bossa, Gypsy, more Smooth Jazz, Modern Jazz, more soloists etc.) You can hear the Jazz and other RealTracks demos here http://pgmusic.com/realtracks.audvid.win.htmSo, as an overall answer to your question: the Pro version would be a great starting point for someone learning jazz. You can use RealTracks for your swing tunes (since you have 110 and 140 RealTracks, they should work well for swing from a wide tempo range (about 70 to 190). As mentioned there is a 30 day MBG. As well, you can upgrade to a higher package within 30 days and not lose any money. For example, if you get the Pro version, and then wish you had got the Mega instead, you can update to it for the difference in price.
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Hi thanks Peter. It's sounding like something I can use. And the money back guarantee is good too. I am looking forward to it. Perhaps I will try the Pro Version and then update to Mega.
Thanks to all. Jeff
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I have been using BIAB approx. 25 years since the Atari 520/1040 ST days. The program has improved beyond leaps and bounds. Petter G. and the BIAB company are great. The only way to venture into this great artificial intellectual realm is to get the demo, by the program and go for it. Out of all the musical help programs on the market they are the best. Just do it!
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È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.
Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.
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