Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
#121314 07/15/11 08:33 AM
Off-Topic
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217
Someone mentioned 'reference recordings' in another thread. These are the recordings that you consider to be the best examples of the producers' art. I wonder what y'alls choices are?

Are there some songs or albums that most professionals say are the the industry standards? What about at your studio? Which recordings do you consider to be the gold standard, holy grail, ne plus ultra?

I have been told that "Aja' by Steely Dan is considered by some to be the best studio album ever. I do not dispute this, but it is not my favorite. I have a sampler album of Cuban jazz by Messidor that I think is close to perfect when it comes to clarity and definition. Ditto a sampler from Chesky records. I think both of these were made in the days of sm58s and 2-inch tape. For Jazz, Roger Kellaway's Cello Quartets are at the top of the list. Again, 70s vintage.


Flatfoot sez: Call me when 'Talent-in-a-Box' is ready to ship! -- [8{>

Got some tunes on You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/user/flatfoot50
.
My BiaB lesson site:
http://jdwolfe0.wixsite.com/learnbiab
Off-Topic
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,167
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,167
Aja, at the time, had a certain warmth to it that was enjoyable. Great recording, writing and performances on that one.

Steely Dan did another album a few years back that won album of the year too, Two Against Nature, I listen to that one as a reference also when working that genre.

I think it's important to match the style of the music you are creating when picking a reference.


I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
Off-Topic
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
R
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
R
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
If you visit Bob Katz's website, he lists a whole slew of well mixed/produced/mastered albums that have great dynamics and don't play the loudness war. Many of these are on various other folks 'reference recording' lists.

Here it is:

http://www.digido.com/honor-roll.html

Off-Topic
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217
Thanks RSN!

Lots for me to learn here.

I found a couple of these tracks on YouTube. That would be kind of defeating the purpose, wouldn't it?


Flatfoot sez: Call me when 'Talent-in-a-Box' is ready to ship! -- [8{>

Got some tunes on You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/user/flatfoot50
.
My BiaB lesson site:
http://jdwolfe0.wixsite.com/learnbiab
Off-Topic
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
R
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
R
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Quote:


I found a couple of these tracks on YouTube. That would be kind of defeating the purpose, wouldn't it?




Yeah - the purpose would be soundly defeated!

Off-Topic
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
M
Mac Offline
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
M
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
I had to learn to "listen through" things such as genre, style, etc. before I really got a handle on what reference recordings are all about.

The ears and the mind don't always agree. For some, the idea of listening to a recording of a genre in which they apparently have no interest is anathema, they are not likely going to be able to judge the recording only in terms of audio quality.

With time and an open mind about it, though, you may find that your ears become more able to "listen through" and only evaluate the actual audio events in the recording, which are basically going to be much the same for a good wuality recording, regardless of genre lines.

Perhaps the most important thing to consider about a reference reoording selection is that it should pretty much *match* the genre, style, instrumentation, etc. of your own recording at the moment. Thus bopping back and forth between the reference recording and your own gives you some place to stand in the way of comparison - and if you've done your homework regarding use of the Audio Tools available to you, it will also allow you to tailor your own recording's sound to better match or even duplicate the sound on the Reference Recording.

Always at low, "CONVERSATIONAL" listening levels on your nearfields. This avoids ushering in the dreaded ear fatigue sooner than later, it also really allows anomalies to seem to "JUMP" out of the speakers. At high Sound Pressure Levels, *anything* tends to sound rather good.

So if your own recording is seeking to emulate the Steely Dan "Aja" sound, then by all means use that for your reference when mixing and when mastering. But if your reccrding is seeking to emulate some *OTHER* sound, best to find a well-mixed and mastered recording that more corresponds to what you are seeking to do and use that for the reference recording at the time.

If you work with it enough, there should come a day when you find that you really don't need a reference recording anymore. The reference will then be YOU - your ability to hear, your ability to use the tools, your combined experience and knowledge. That typically doesn't appen overnight.


--Mac

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support

Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins

Join the conversation on our forum.

Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac Videos

With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll also keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.

From overviews of new features and walkthroughs of the 202 new RealTracks, to highlights of XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAKs 18, the 2025 49-PAK, and in-depth tutorials — you’ll find everything you need to explore what’s new in Band-in-a-Box® 2025.

Reference this forum post for One-Stop Shopping of our Band-in-a-Box® 2025 Mac Videos — we’ll be adding more videos as they’re released!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac is here, packed with major new features and an incredible collection of available new content! This includes 202 RealTracks (in Sets 449-467), plus 20 bonus Unreleased RealTracks in the 2025 49-PAK. There are new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 4, two new sets of “RealDrums Stems,” XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAK 19, and more!

Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac with savings of up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special—available until July 31, 2025! Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.

2025 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some incredible Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Mac 2025 packages, but for even more Add-ons (including 20 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.

If you have any questions, feel free to connect with us directly—we’re here to help!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 Italian Version is Here!

Cari amici
È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.

Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.

Band-in-a-Box 2025 - Italiano
RealBand 2025 - Italiano

Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!

Bonjour à tous,

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music

Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:

BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation

Voilà, enjoy!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!

Die deutsche Version Band-in-a-Box® 2025 für Windows ist ab sofort verfügbar!

Alle die bereits die englische Version von Band-in-a-Box und RealBand 2024 installiert haben, finden hier die Installationsdateien für das Sprachenupdate:

https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025.exe
https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025RB.exe

Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!

Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.

Stay up to date—get the latest update now!

Forum Statistics
Forums58
Topics84,317
Posts777,656
Members39,617
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
Newest Members
Floyd17230, JerryL, kottke, kaleu, Claudio Paolini
39,616 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 148
DC Ron 103
zedd 100
rsdean 94
WaoBand 90
nonchai 85
Today's Birthdays
Darald Wieneke
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5