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Again we have more Jazz then Rock and roll. We need more 60s, 70s 80s, rock music for the baby boomers. I know people in bands that like the layout of PG but there is nothing to support the music. Mason and Wilcox are good but don't fit styles for rock and roll. PG could recruit a lot of business if they would start thinking of the boomers coming now......I hate to say that jazz for boomers is not there. Let's bring some real rock into the PG world............Please no negitive opinions, I have a habit of getting testy. Thanks. 
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Hi critter, You should post this under the Styles Wishlist forum found at the below link. http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB7PG Music have often introduced things into BIAB because it was in the Wishlist forums. Worth a shot  Regards, Noel
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A few years ago, I started requesting Bluegrass and Gypsy Jazz styles be included in the next round of RealTracks and that is exactly what I received on later updates.
Requesting new styles does work, though I am sure it takes awhile to get any new RealTrack styles ready to be released.
Give it a try
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I totally agree with this request but there are problems with it. So many classic R & R songs from that era are full of song specific licks that PG cannot include because of copyright issues. Just off the top of my head, Hotel California, Satisfaction, anything by Steely Dan, Long Train Runnin, Suzy Q, the list goes on and on. There's not too much there that PG could put into a style without running into legal problems. The basic rock beats from those songs to jam over we already have, it's all the cool parts that are missing. Notes has the same problem. He has some great styles that fit certain classic songs without those specific well known instrument parts. Those you have to play yourself.
There have been so many threads about copyright I certainly don't want to get into it again but the basic rule of thumb is if there's an instrument part that when you hear it you instantly can identify the song then that's covered by copyright and you can't use it like the intro to Satisfaction for example.
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I totally agree with this request but there are problems with it. So many classic R & R songs from that era are full of song specific licks that PG cannot include because of copyright issues. Just off the top of my head, Hotel California, Satisfaction, anything by Steely Dan, Long Train Runnin, Suzy Q, the list goes on and on. There's not too much there that PG could put into a style without running into legal problems. The basic rock beats from those songs to jam over we already have, it's all the cool parts that are missing. Notes has the same problem. He has some great styles that fit certain classic songs without those specific well known instrument parts. Those you have to play yourself.
There have been so many threads about copyright I certainly don't want to get into it again but the basic rule of thumb is if there's an instrument part that when you hear it you instantly can identify the song then that's covered by copyright and you can't use it like the intro to Satisfaction for example.
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I hear what you're saying loud and clear but there are ways around almost everything. Satisfaction, for example. The "signature opening lick" EE E GbG etc. was Richards playing a single note "melody line" which makes it POTENTIALLY subject to copyright protection and the "signature" nature of that riff pretty much ends all arguments.
BUT....I don't think there could be any assertion of infringement if there was a CHORD PROGRESSION such as E E EE G etc. while letting a live player play the lick including the EE EGbG etc. slur type lick over it.
So, there could be a "satfac" style with CHORD changes that would fit the tune...for all intents and purposes without running afoul of copyright issues.
Ditto for Hotel California's 7 chord progression which famously coincides SO closely to Jethro Tull's "We Used to Know" a band that the Eagles toured with BEFORE Hotel was written!
If there ever was going to be an infringement suit over a chord progression that would have been an ideal candidate.
It is the EMBELLISHMENTS of the HC progression that would land you in a federal court if you wrote a song based on BOTH the changes and the single note embellishments.
I haven't looked into the relative proportions of the BIAB styles but the poster is right in the sense that the latest data show thar rock albums outsell the next genre )R&B 2-1. 1.4-1 for Country and 10-1 compared to jazz, "electronic" and classical.
So, if the rock style proportions don't fairly closely resemble actual album sales then I would agree that PG is making a marketing error.
Here are the 2011 sales by genre stats for anyone who is interested.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/188910/us-music-album-sales-by-genre-2010/
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Thanks for the info on JT's "We Used To Know". I call myself a Tull fan but have never heard this song until tonight. Great Song. It was interesting to hear Ian (I think) speak about how they should be compensated by the Eagles in their Cardiff 1996 YouTube video. Good stuff indeed.
BTW, more R n' R styles would definitely be appreciated by me too.
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It seems to me that there already are "Stones" and "Eagles" Realtracks styles available. OK, I grant you that there are no styles that specifically sound like "Satisfaction" or "Hotel California" - but...
But yes ... post some ideas in the Styles Wishlist. It could be that Rock is being ignored because it is the "elephant in the room" - being the biggest selling musical style over the last 40 years or so - and maybe most people haven't thought of asking more Rock styles (thinking them to be too "obvious" or something).
Maybe I can think of a few suggestions myself. Be nice to have a drummer who could play in the style of "Ringo circa the White Album" or "Charlie Watts" just for starters. Or maybe some pseudo-Hendrix guitar styles...
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I thought that graph was very interesting, I realize Pg has to offer a wide range of genre to entice all would be or potential buyers but seeing the chart I think rock needs a fair shake. I have written original songs and have played them for people I know in bands, all are cover bands, and they all like the PG format and how it puts it together. Problem is there is not enough rock real styles to perk the interest of the band members. These band members are from four bands that play Milwaukee and surrounding areas. Right there you have at least 20 new sales. these bands are picnic and larger function guys, in the summer at picnics the average pay for the bands are $3000.00, and also draw large crowds. For me the main problem is the lead guitar, which nine times out of ten I have to use a very old lead guitar player, I think it is "422" which is really for blues but for some reason it plays the rock leads very well except every song basically sounds the same, kinda like having Slash play all the time. Brent Mason never fits without some sort of country vibe to it, Wilcox always sounds too bluesy. I posted on wishlist but I doubt anything will come of it, I've done it before, but I still think it's time to add a lot more rock based realtracks.
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I am replying to my own thread so if anyone is interested they can look up the bands I am talking about. these bands have cds etc. with cover songs, so how do they get away with that? Anyway..........remember they are all Milwaukee Wisconsin bands, so when looking for websites make sure that is included.... The Doo Wopp Daddies The Toys Road Trip Oil Can Harry After being in bands for years I know a lot of people from them and at one time or another played with them. 
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I thought that graph was very interesting, I realize Pg has to offer a wide range of genre to entice all would be or potential buyers but seeing the chart I think rock needs a fair shake. I have written original songs and have played them for people I know in bands, all are cover bands, and they all like the PG format and how it puts it together. Problem is there is not enough rock real styles to perk the interest of the band members. These band members are from four bands that play Milwaukee and surrounding areas. Right there you have at least 20 new sales. these bands are picnic and larger function guys, in the summer at picnics the average pay for the bands are $3000.00, and also draw large crowds. For me the main problem is the lead guitar, which nine times out of ten I have to use a very old lead guitar player, I think it is "422" which is really for blues but for some reason it plays the rock leads very well except every song basically sounds the same, kinda like having Slash play all the time. Brent Mason never fits without some sort of country vibe to it, Wilcox always sounds too bluesy. I posted on wishlist but I doubt anything will come of it, I've done it before, but I still think it's time to add a lot more rock based realtracks.
Those are some great picnic gigs pardner!!!! In Nashville, LA...Austin and LOTS of other places, there are world class musicians playing 3 hour sets for a hundred bucks a man...sadly....TONS of them.
$3k is for fairly large weddings and corporate events. Things gotta be hummin' in Mwaukee!!!
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It seems to me that there already are "Stones" and "Eagles" Realtracks styles available. OK, I grant you that there are no styles that specifically sound like "Satisfaction" or "Hotel California" - but...
But yes ... post some ideas in the Styles Wishlist. It could be that Rock is being ignored because it is the "elephant in the room" - being the biggest selling musical style over the last 40 years or so - and maybe most people haven't thought of asking more Rock styles (thinking them to be too "obvious" or something).
Maybe I can think of a few suggestions myself. Be nice to have a drummer who could play in the style of "Ringo circa the White Album" or "Charlie Watts" just for starters. Or maybe some pseudo-Hendrix guitar styles...
I'm sure you're right (I don't have BIAB booted up on my other puter right now.) But I would assume that there are enough that with the right chord changes and the use of dots and muting certain instruments in certain measures a TON more rock "styles" could be cobbled together by us users.
Heck...Keith fell asleep in a Chicago hotel room after he "toyed around" with the now iconic signature lick in Satisfaction...which HE intended to be a horn section!!! In the studio, he used a Gibson Maestro fuzz box into God knows what amp (a Champ????) because he was just "sketching" the line for horns. (-:
But he got out-voted by the other band members and the producer...and the rest is history!
A really interesting book could be written about how acts of "genius" in the arts and sciences were actually either blind luck... pure accident or aggressively fought AGAINST by the "genius" in question!!
George C. Scott (I happen to know for a fact) was AGGRESSIVELY OPPOSED to the inclusion of the now legendary opening scene of Patton with him standing in front of the American flag!!
He felt the scene was SO powerful that the film would have no place left to go. How wrong was THAT!!!!
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I don't think that pg is going to put a lot of resources into rolling a style file that is actually only good for one cover song. That may be my take on it, but think about that for a minute.
On the other hand, BiaB has had the MIDI to Style Wizard available for several years now, consider finding a good MIDI file of your target cover tune, convert to MIDI style and then load into your songfile, try adding a few RealTracks to that as well. I've noticed from the beginning of RealTracks that one or two RealTracks and RealDrums can make a MIDI style sound much more "realistic"...
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Now that there's an on-line marketing department I can sleep at night.
On the other hand, sure I want ? and the mysterians to get pgmusic to make me 96 tears cover style, but I only play 3 of those summer gigs. I donate the money, it's usually a fund raiser anyways.
But I can play block organ chords with a G triad and then C7 triad 8 to the bar and everyone on the planet over 55 knows the song.
I think a few guys ought to google Oliver Gannon and Peter Gannon to see that this is not a rock and roll family. There is cross over, sure, but really.
It would take a very large business case to determine if the rock guys open the wallet, and then decide what happens then. In my experience a guy with a guitar shows up and wants you got give him a cable(s) extra for the floor do dads, and then retune the darn band to his axe. Then all night it's turn it up up up, drives me nuts.
Anyway, I don't need a huge rock band to play "Which way you goin' billy", or "Blowin in the Wind."
I don't get the business case. I just see struggling guys with old pickups and a guitar showing up at someone's farm for a 'party'. They keep every nickle of the 100 if they get it. Spend in on Band in a Box?
Maybe your upper middle jazz cats are a better market. I never spent a lot of time thinking about it.
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In my experience a guy with a guitar shows up and wants you got give him a cable(s) extra for the floor do dads, and then retune the darn band to his axe. Then all night it's turn it up up up, drives me nuts.
John, you obviously had the wrong guitarist for the job! We are not all like that, trust me!
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I, too, would like to see more classic rock RTs. I have asked for this in the wishlist a couple of times but so far no joy. I'm particularly interested in some 'Psychedelic' styles like early Jefferson Airplane, The Byrds, Jimi Hendrix etc. I hope that we get some soon.
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In my experience a guy with a guitar shows up and wants you got give him a cable(s) extra for the floor do dads, and then retune the darn band to his axe. Then all night it's turn it up up up, drives me nuts.
John, you obviously had the wrong guitarist for the job! We are not all like that, trust me!
Never even met one of those dudes. The only "problem" I had a while back was when we hired a sound guy to pull a "live" 10 song album off a gig...where the CDs would ONLY be sold at gigs (with Songfile licenses) so REALLY small quantities.
The guitar player who had played in the band a LOT of times...waited until a few minutes before downbeat and announced he wanted "master scale" for the gig.
He was a key player for the gig that night so I had to agree...but that was the LAST gig he ever did with us so he ended up a loser big time.
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I too would like to see some more good rock realtracks. On the other hand, as earlier stated in this thread, for a great majority of the classic rock songs, the signature riff defines the song. I have found that in most cases (at least according to my ear) I can arrange for example a CCR tune, say "Born on the Bayou" using realtracks and being a guitar player will add that signature riff that runs throughout the tune and wah lah, a very nice rendition of that tune (now if I could only sing like Fogerty!)
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This is the classic point we try to make about Biab. It comes up continually. Biab is not for creating covers, it's for creating backing tracks, not the lead tracks. It's for you the player to jam with and it's up to the player to play those specific licks. The people who keep referring to classic rock songs are either not good enough players to do that or play the wrong instruments like me on keyboards. I can't play those great guitar licks but they're readily available if I want them badly enough.
Cover song backing tracks are available all over the internet as midi files or karaoke live instrument audio tracks. My sister does a lot of karaoke contests and I've heard some of those tracks. They sound exactly like the record, extremely well produced. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of those karaoke parts were done by the same people who recorded them on those hit records in the first place, they just don't want us to know about it. For the cost of the Ultrapac you can buy a hundred of them and jam to your hearts content or do a cover band bar gig by yourself if that's what you want.
If you really want Biab to do this then all you need to do is spend the 5-7 bucks each or less in quantity, and buy the song you want either audio or midi and insert those parts onto either a Biab instrument track or the solo or melody track. What some of us did a couple years ago in Real Band was to insert the live recorded funky parts to a Christmas song by Spyro Gyra, can't remember the name now, into a RB generated version of the same song. It was all audio and using the pitch shifting and tempo matching abilities inside RB and some crossfading I was able to insert a great solo from the original recording right in the middle of the Biab tracks inside RB plus a really hot intro they did. This can all be done and it's not that hard.
Hip hop remixers have been doing this for years now and they've been doing it live. I did it as a studio recording but with a live DJ setup you can crossfade using your mixer and have both versions playing at the same time. Actually using live DJ software you can have many different versions of the same song playing at the same time but you're only hearing one at any one time by using either your on screen controls or a midi control surface. You can completely rearrange that song any way you want by creating loops of those parts ahead of time and punching them up at your discretion at the gig. Biab can easily be a part of that by creating some of those parts.
We already have the tools to do pretty much anything we just have to expand our thinking a little.
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Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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