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I was thinking about mentioning Nashville notation but that wasn't the question.
Joda wasn't asking about chords in a song he's asking about the chords themselves not in the context of the key sig. Joda, what I'm talking about is the relationship of the chords to the key sig of the song. When someone says "chord tones" or "scale tones" what they're usually referring to is the numbered position of the chord as part of the scale of the song based on the key sig. Example, key of C and a basic 3 chord song. The 3 chords usually are C7, F7 and G7 or commonly known as a 1-4-5 progression. In Ab it's Ab7, Db7 and Eb7. Counting the notes in the C major scale yields 1=C, 4=F and 5=G. Those are not notes in a chord, they're chords in a song and that's what Nashville notation is all about. A 1-4-5 is written in Nashville notation as I-IV-V. As long as you know the key sig and your basic major scales then you can play that progression in any key no need for the chord itself to be written, I-IV-5 is all you need. There's only 12 scales and beginner or not I will say you must learn those. No arguments, just do it. But Nashville notation has nothing to do with you figuring out what the notes are in any particular chord. The notes in any chord also comes from knowing the scales because the numbers are the same. Scale tones equals the note numbers. Notes in any chord also equals the note numbers in the scale of the chord based on the key sig.
Hope this makes sense.
Bob
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Hi again, jodaboda, Band in a Box has a rather excellent feature that should really help the aspiring saxophonist along these lines. Or any other instrumentalist who is looking to learn what notes to play over a given chord, for that matter. Take a look in the Help section of BiaB, selsct the "Topic Search" and type "Generate Scales" without the quotes into the Search slot at the top left. This command is found under the Soloist menu, "Generate and play a scale..." -- the second command down from the top of the Soloist menu. Then doubleclick on Generate Scales in the LH results pane and see how to invoke the Scale Wizard. Quote:
This Scale Wizard allows you to easily generate scales, which appear as notation on the Soloist track. Options include Instrument Range, Patch Selection, Jazzy Mode (will use Lydian dominant scales for some 7th chords), and Diatonic Mode (keeps scales relative to the song key).
Menu items on the Soloist menu allow you to generate scales for a certain song, or auto-generate them for all loaded songs. View the scales in the notation or the on-screen guitar and piano.
When the Generate Scales menu command is selected it opens the Use Jazz Scales dialog. In this dialog you can set a number of options for the scales that are generated.
The neat thing about this feature is that you can, with one mouseclick, generate notes in scalar fashion that will appear on the Soloist track. The notes chosen will already be the appropriate basic scale and key for each chord in ANY songfile you have.
At first, just practice playing those scales along with BiaB, at perhaps a lowered Tempo. Rinse, repeat, as practice is really only repetition, right?
After a bit, maybe sleep on it overnight, the next session, try Muting the BiaB soloist so you don't also hear the scales as the song plays, and use your own instrument to read the scales and play them as they go by. Always try to play everything MUSICALLY, don't let the practice turn into just a bad sounding thang with scales going up and down. For example, apply your own dynamics at the same time, playing some of the bars pianissimo - as soft as you can - others you might play a bit louder, some you might build to a Crescendo, etc. as you practice the scales over the chords for each particular song.
This is a very cool feature and a real timesaver over the old method that I had to do way back in music school when the only tools we had were pencils and staff paper and that gray stuff between the ears.
After becoming familiar enough with each scale for each chord in whatever songfile, try playing them using *every other note* in the scale generated, like the 1st, 3rd, 5th, etc. odd numbered notes in the scale, which, in most cases, would be the arpeggio for the scale. At any rate, any of the notes generated for the chord will always be "right" notes.
Take notice of any accidentals for the scales for each chord as well. Try to figure out which Key that invokes, for it is often the case in jazz songs that the song itself goes through Transpositions internally, even though the Main Key Sig is written. Unlike Classical Music, we don't write a new key signature for every time that happens. Which is a good thing IMO. Instead, we learn to recognize those transitions. Most of them will be ii-V7-I situations that serve to modulate to a new key temporarily inside the song, but will soon return the thing back to the original key.
And never forget the most important part of practicing -- which is tightly associated with the unofficial Band in a Box motto.
Don't "drill".
Instead, always strive to "Have Fun" -- the fastest way to get "there".
HAVE FUN,
--Mac
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Thanks Mac! That's pretty much exactly what I wanted. You might want to consider adding an option for chord tones only in there (rather than the whole scale), but it is great as-is as well.
Thanks again-- I don't think I would have found that on my own in a YEAR of using BIAB!
I'm certainly "having fun"... way more fun than rote endless scale practice. I've done that since I started playing sax and things just don't get internalized that way (I still mess up simple things like a minor scale sometimes, even after doing it a gazillion times). I think you can get to a sort-of hybrid thinking/motor-reflex playing with that method of study, but with BIAB learning I'm developing my ear/listening and timing at the same time, and also having fun! Before I would force myself to do half an hour of scales, and suffer through it. Now I turn on BIAB and play, and the HOURS fly by!
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To work with chordtones and arpeggios, try just playing *EVERY OTHER NOTE* in the given scales.
--Mac
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Quote:
You might want to consider adding an option for chord tones only in there (rather than the whole scale), but it is great as-is as well.
This is just a user forum, nobody here but us chickens (users). We don't consider adding anything, a request like that goes into the Wishlist forum and the powers-that-be read it and maybe act on it if it's a worthy suggestion.
Bob
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Okay thanks Bob. I assumed someone with the "PG Music" avatar was a company rep or something. I guess not; good to know.
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For the record, I am not a pgmusic rep.
Use the Wishlist forum for these kind of addon requests, because that is the place where the development staff is most likely to look when it comes time for them to ascertain what possible new features they might attempt to make so.
Over the years I've seen *many* new features that started out as Wishlist items actually get implemented. But its only the ones that don't get implemented that garner the most notice on these forums.
--Mac
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