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Has anyone tried Per Bristow's Singing method Sing with freedom , and his forum The Singing Zone? I really can't find any reviews other than those that somehow "appear sponsored" .
I am looking for real people who can say what they think of his method.
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...I really can't find any reviews other than those that somehow "appear sponsored" .
I am looking for real people who can say what they think of his method.
If you find such to be the case after a good search, that factor alone may already have answered the question.
If you are really serious about vocal training, why not look for a qualified private tutor or instructor in your area? Local music schools, colleges and universities, even asking at local music stores might get you some leads.
And there really is nothing that will outdo such a personalized approach.
--Mac
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I'd be interested in this as well. I viewed a video of his a while back and still get regular reminders about the method in the mail. If the course is half as good as his marketing then it should be ok. Maybe you could try over in the Reaper forums or one of the "more professional musician's forums". No offense intended, but this forum doesn't seem to have too many professionals in it (people who have to earn a living by making music), so they are all pretty happy with their singing. 
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Maybe you could try over in the Reaper forums or one of the "more professional musician's forums". No offense intended, but this forum doesn't seem to have too many professionals in it (people who have to earn a living by making music), so they are all pretty happy with their singing.
Well I do have to admit you made me smile with that critique of our little home crowd  . But really, professionals over in the Reaper forum... you may be giving those guys a little more credit then due!
And of course - no offence taken....
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So just for the halibut, I entered his name into Youtube. This is the first of his videos that came up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vbKjySV5Ko Maybe that was just a bad example or something, I thought, so I clicked on the second one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHMrnL0amjEIf his own vocal examples here are any indication, I'll pass. --Mac
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Hi Kristen,
I totally agree with MAC, you need to find a teacher. You can't learn to sing properly from watching videos or reading about techniques. If you are already training with a teacher, and have an understanding of vocal production, then it's interesting to look up this additional info.
When you are training with a professional teacher, they are watching for many things, such as, your breathing and support, how you are shaping your vowels, where your tongue is and so much more. This is one reason I don't offer advice on forums (I had 16 years of classical vocal training and now teach a few young singers). A teacher needs to see what you are doing, even a thing like having your weight forward and not back on your heels makes a difference.
As Mac said, you need the one on one personalized approach.
All the best!
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I did have lessons a while back. Very expensive and I am not really a serious enough vocalist anyway. i would much rather buy a guitar or update BIAB with my money. I have my own style and just want to try and improve it a little. I will check out some other areas.
I am surprised that I didn't hear many reviews though, positive or negative. I would think if it was bad there would be quite a few negative reviews out there (usually people will complain publicly if they are really angry. I wonder if there is a way to "squelch" bad reviews on the internet? But that's another topic altogether.
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Hi Kirsten, A quick post, this site has a lot of useful info and good advice if you want to check it out. (Professional lessons are still the only way to go though, they are worth the money in the end) http://www.vocalist.org.uk/index.htmlAll the best!
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yjoy, Kristen didn't ask what was the best form of instruction available. She asked about one instructor and possible options, (as I recall). Kristen, A good home course is available from Homespun: http://www.homespuntapes.com/Instruments/Vocal/singing-basic-vocal-techniqueI have it and used it years ago, back when it on cassette. It's a good course.
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I said "or" one of the more professional forums  I guess I should have used a comma there. There are voice training forums out there somewhere. I just found this forum, could be of interest http://themodernvocalist.punbb-hosting.com/viewtopic.php?id=4168
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Thank you all. Gonna hold off on this .
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Thank you all. Gonna hold off on this .
Kirsten, The singlemost important thing you can do right now to improve your singing abilities is to work on your ear.
Learning to NAIL the Major Scale intervals, correctly and IN TUNE.
Use of the old, "Do-Re-Mi" is a plus IMO, but not entirely necessary.
Being able to keep the tuning of the tempered scale, by being given a starting note, the Tonic, and then being able to sing through a simple tune without deviating from the tuning of the scale is the first thing any singer should aspire to "own" and that is done by practicing doing same daily.
All the rest, breathing, learning to sing with power, vibrato or no vibrato, etc. will be to no avail until that Major Scale is firmly locked into the brain and thus the vocal chords.
The Major Scale is the basis for all Western Musics. From there we branch out to minor (the natural minor scale is actually inside the Major Scale, from the 6th to the 13th, which is where we get that "Relative minor" jazz from) and the all-important Major and minor Pentatonic scales.
Until we can nail them, staying in tune, by ourselves, by practicing singing them along with a well-tuned instrument and then gradually removing the well-tuned instrument from the sessions until only the voice is able to carry the tune, all else is a wash.
I listened to your recordings and am just trying to help out here.
Inside Band in a Box are Ear Trainer, plus a few other music games designed to help with all of this, it is well worth ten to twenty minutes a day of your time and the ears can and will start to lock onto these issues if you spend the time with it. The time involved is not all that long, either, for most people.
*Practice singing those simple "childhood" songs by yourself, trying to keep all the notes right where they belong after getting a note from the instrument for the Tonic. This can be *any* western simple song that you happen to remember, but you can also find many webpages that list these kind of songs for the purpose of ear training, improvisation, etc. Most will be centered around playing a musical instrument, but always remember that your voice IS a musical instrument, matter of fact, the human voice is the FIRST musical instrument.
Sing these softly, just enough power to be able to control the pitch and always try to sing them "musically" -- as if each one was a performance. If you make a mistake, don't keep going, stop and start over again from the beginning. That way we practice much more efficiently by not "practicing the mistake" with the thing.
The EAR is the thing that controls what comes out of the mouth...
Training that ear, then, is the most important factor.
All the rest is icing on the cake.
One more important thing about all of this to incubate: "Deep Desire"
--Mac
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Thanks Mac. Maybe YOU should make a singing book!
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Ofcourse, as Mac said, it is very nice and importand to keep in tune. But believe it or not; that is not the hardest part of singing. Singing requires you to train and control a whole lot of muscles. Knowing wich muscles and how to control them is the real trick. When you have a good technique you will be able to sing in tune easilly (that is, if you have a trained ear...) You may want to look into these two world renown and proven singing techniques: EVTS and CVT There are some excellent books out there on these techniques, but be warned: you can not learn the techniques properly without some sort of vocal coaching. A vocal coach (or singing teacher or whatever you want to call it) can see, feel and hear if you are doing things the proper way. The proper way is the way that will not hurt or damage your voice! This may vary from singer to singer. Even if you would take a few lessons you would be pointed in the right direction and you might be able to actually feel if what you're doing is what's discussed in the books.
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Hi Kristen, Have a look at the below link for Renee Grant-Williams. I was at a seminar of hers once and I found her very very helpful (I've still got a long way to go before I reach the outermost edge of the word "good" but Renee did help me on my way!) http://www.myvoicecoach.com/index.htmlI bought the DVD that you can find under "Products" (US$60). I've just discovered that she has free online lessons, too! Regards, Noel
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Hi Kirsten,
When I read bobby's above post, the first thing that sprang to mind was...
"Hmm... It seems bobby specifically signed up to the forums to answer your question."
Even though he says he's not affiliated with Per Bristow, his post seems to be very 'sales pitch' oriented. I may well be wrong but in the world of www, I've found it's always better to be cautious.
Just an observation.
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Yeah, my spammy senses were tingling.
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Hi, Kristen !
If you like singing but you
are not ready to pay a lot for it
I would recommend joining a barbershop
chorus in your vicinity ! :)) That way
you would get to train your singing
and tuning abilities practically for
free !!:))
Cheers
Dani
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Hmm...
It's interesting that the people who keep reviving this post only make a single post. Also, it seems that that single post is devoted entirely to reviving this thread. Have a look at Vrinda, amyrose, massiwippi, marklame, bobbybro.
It makes me wonder if Per Bristow is working behind the scenes to keep his name in the spotlight; a bit of free advertising and self-promotion.
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