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I play piano/keyboard strictly for my own enjoyment, but have always played from sheet music (both right and left hand parts). I understand how BIAB 2012 allows you to enter a chord progression from a Lead Sheet or Fake Book, and then generates a backing track based upon style and tempo. That's all pretty straightforward and works great.
My question is this: A Fake Book provides the melody (for the right hand) and a chord progression (which BIAB takes care of with the backing track). So, when you play along with the track generated by BIAB, what do you play with the left hand other than those same chords? I imagine that it takes some improv skills to add some interest to the left hand.
Assuming I have this right, exactly how do you develop that improv skill, and is it a good idea to develop that while using BIAB? Or is better to develop that skillset on its own first? (If so, how do I do that?) Or is there a specific way to use BIAB to help develop that skill? -- Or perhaps I'm off-base with this assumption altogether.
I hope that I've expressed this clearly. Any pointers to help me make better use of the left hand when playing along with BIAB from a Fake Book would be appreciated.
Thanks!
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Biab is one of the best ways to improve your keyboard playing there is. First, the keyboard parts are displayed on the big piano keyboard across the top so you can see what is happening with the left hand as well as open the notation and see it as written notes. Just mute the piano part and play it yourself paying attention to your left hand and if you're not getting it unmute the piano and listen and mute it and try it again. This is great for people who can read some music and can recognize chord shapes from looking at someone playing a keyboard but just don't know what to play themselves.
Depending on your skill level perhaps you're not good enough yet to understand what you're seeing on the screen. Just copying the notes being displayed won't help you much if you have no idea of the theory behind it so if that's the case then you need some basic theory lessons as well. Biab is great in that situation, you're reading some online theory courses and as you go along it's simple to take what you just learned, load it into Biab and start working on it.
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Just google <left hand piano chords>. There's a wealth of information there. Later, Ray
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Websearching using Google, or any good search engine, does indeed bring up plenty of good info, lessons. etc. on this subject.
Also, loading a BB style that has good piano accompaniment in it, a good reader can use the Notation View to learn plenty of LH chord comping skills.
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One thing to note is that the received wisdom is to not play the root note of any chord in the left if a bass player is playing. I would say first play block chords in root position, then vary the inversions to 'voice lead' that is to fit what's going on in the melody and keep them in the same 'register'. Once you get all that going then you can start adding extra notes, those within the scale/chord/mode, then those that are more dissonant. Above all, as is said above, never play a note you don't understand.
I first learnt the classical route, its like learning by rote, you can play back the notes, but you don't have to understand a single thing about there function. With impro you need to not only know that your playing a C# but also that this C# is the b6th or the dominant seventh of the chord. If you don't do this, you will widdle but not understand, your knowledge is not transferable to the next context.
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Biab is one of the best ways to improve your keyboard playing there is. First, the keyboard parts are displayed on the big piano keyboard across the top so you can see what is happening with the left hand as well as open the notation and see it as written notes. Just mute the piano part and play it yourself paying attention to your left hand and if you're not getting it unmute the piano and listen and mute it and try it again. This is great for people who can read some music and can recognize chord shapes from looking at someone playing a keyboard but just don't know what to play themselves.
Depending on your skill level perhaps you're not good enough yet to understand what you're seeing on the screen. Just copying the notes being displayed won't help you much if you have no idea of the theory behind it so if that's the case then you need some basic theory lessons as well. Biab is great in that situation, you're reading some online theory courses and as you go along it's simple to take what you just learned, load it into Biab and start working on it.
Bob
Thanks for this tip! I wasn't aware of this capability in BIAB, but just checked it out and it seems like a good method to learn from. My skill level is high enough to read the notation and play it (albeit slowly usually). And I'm working my way thru a few Blues Piano books that include Blues theory.
Thanks to everyone else for their suggestions as well. I'll be sure to check "the Google". 
Last edited by newbert; 03/09/13 01:34 PM.
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Ditto Newbert.
BIAB is amazing in so many ways. I've only been with it since Dec., using it mostly in conjunction with my violin playing. But I'm a pianist first and can see how much it will help me there.
Nice to have a forum like this!
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Amazing what the current BIAB offers with the real time solo/accompanyment windows, into the thinking of other pro musicians. I have also relished information of standards and jazz arrangements and individual improvations available in fakebook/cd...very comprehensive as great archives you can listen to and study/copy and format...especially in training your ear and mind to listen to "the greats" playing their specific chordal/melodic/vocal hit recordings. To my mind, lots of bang for the buck...and it works for this inquisitive 70 year old mind. http://realbooksoftware.com/OrderForm.phpBIAB offers lots of feedback on left-hand-right-hand real time approaches. If you want to study the giants in whatever voices/harmony that's developed over the jazz age, these other compiliations are available for you.
Yamaha...Motif ES-8, Motif Rack, CS6X
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Biab used to come with a Piano Masterclass series which will teach you how to play Jazz and Blues as well. Not sure if they still have those anymore?
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Biab used to come with a Piano Masterclass series which will teach you how to play Jazz and Blues as well. Not sure if they still have those anymore?
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PGMusic Master Classes and other learning software packages are available separately here:
http://www.pgmusic.com/products.win.htm
All of them are Great Stuff IMO.
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Biab used to come with a Piano Masterclass series which will teach you how to play Jazz and Blues as well. Not sure if they still have those anymore?
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PGMusic Master Classes and other learning software packages are available separately here:
http://www.pgmusic.com/products.win.htm
All of them are Great Stuff IMO.
--Mac
Do these Master Classes tie-in to BIAB at all? (ie - either as a plug-in or with provided BIAB files as part of the lessons)? Or are they totally independent/standalone of BIAB (other than being provided my PGMusic)?
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I have several of those but not all of them. The ones I have, Jazz, Blues and Latin piano ones are all standalone programs with explanations of what each section is. The different sections are midi files. You play each one from within the program so no, they're not tied into Biab but as midi files they are listed in your directory under that programs name as 001.mid 002.mid etc. It's kind of awkward because of the naming but they're all there. You can take any of those midi's and open it up in either Biab or Real Band and then do whatever you want with them. If you make changes or rename them make sure to do a "save as" so as to not overwrite the basic lesson midi file.
Something else I have that is or was included with the UltraPak is called Essential Jazz Piano Licks and another one for Guitar and there are several other ones like Bluegrass, Classical and probably more I can't remember now. Those licks do open in Biab using the default ZZJAZZ style but I can change it to any style. These "Licks" are not the specific Master Classes. Those are the stand alone programs.
Biab has an absolute wealth of teaching aids and after about 10 years with the program I still don't know all of them. Separate from all Master Classes and in addition to all the Licks and other stuff we now have the Midi Artists Super Tracks plus all the Real Track Soloists in a multitude of styles and anybody can simply look at the notation for those and learn all kinds of cool phrases and licks. Guitarists have their things, keyboard players have their things and it's mind boggling just how much stuff there is inside this program to help you learn.
Bob
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Some of them contain Standard MIDI files that can be opened and played in Band in a Box.
But I don't think that's the purpose of the programs, actually.
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