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I'm on BIAB 2013 build 366, running on Windows 7 (64-bit).
I use realtracks / realdrums and realtracks for solos and use BIAB to generate all my backing tracks.
I freeze all tracks and then render finished songs to audio track (play / render). This is because I load them on a laptop when playing on stage and this seems to work best - even though the laptop is a powerful beast I have had BIAB lock up / stutter / go weird, if I don't have everything ready in advance. It also means I know exactly what is coming and have no timing issues.
I notice that when rendering this way the drums track (I use realdrums) changes from green to yellow after the render and says that I am using a MIDI kit - doesn't sound like it to me, just seems to be a bug in the display?
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Hi palmstro,
It seems to me that you are saying that the Render works just fine, the sound of the Rendered audio song is fine, it sounds to you as if RealDrums are playing in the Rendered version and not MIDI drums, but the Drums label turns to Yellow after the Render is completed?
What happens if you then hit Gen/Play or even Replay at that point?
Does the Drums label turn Green again?
Do Realdrums play at that point?
Does this happen with *every* song and style or only with some Style files, and if so, could you give us the names of some examples?
--Mac
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Your summary is spot on.
Just tried another song - render works fine. Tried playing it back with VST/DXI synth (Coyote) turned off to check it was not playing MIDI drums - I use SD-50 (which is playing MIDI and Audio) and it shows no MIDI drums playing. Also listened to WAV file in Media Player - drums are there and sound like Real Drums.
Play - stays yellow.
Gen/Play - stays yellow. These two I wouldn't expect to make a difference as all tracks are frozen and song rendered so they don't really do anything except kick it into life.
Tried same thing with all tracks muted except drums - same thing.
If I unrender the song, the drums go back green again but don't play at all. I have to reload the song (e.g. previous / next) to get them back again, or unfreeze the drum track and regenerate it.
Happens with every song.
Also tried it with one of your demos - realtrack40 demos - _ROKAARP demo. Same thing - goes yellow on render, comes back green on unrender and in this case plays drums again as track wasn't previously frozen.
Shout if you need more info.
Thanks
Peter
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The reason I was doing this render was because I was trying to get a stable file to play on the laptop, where I have been all sorts of problems with locking up / bad sound etc.
Think I've found the root cause of this (and several other problems I have been having).
Problems
1.Stuttering, locking up , bad sounds, pops and crackles on realtracks
2.Access violation on ASIO driver
3.Play/render to audio track - drums colour changes and lose them altogether on unrender
4.Several other strange things like panning mix disappearing / getting reset
5.BIAB playing a song but can't be stopped / paused - only solution is stop via task manager
Solution
Don't use ASIO driver for SD-50 - I'm using MME and all my problems seem to have gone away.
Is this is a BIAB problem or a Roland problem?? Any input gratefully received.
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I can't say if the ASIO problem you have is a function of BB or the Roland drivers, or both, or it could even be some settings in your system, setup, etc.
BUT - there is no difference in the audio you will hear when you set it for MME sound drivers, only difference is in the realtime latency, which may not even be an issue for you at all.
ASIO drivers are handy when you wish to do things like record MIDI from software synthesizers and need to hear what you play in realtime, rather than experience a delay between the time the note or key is pushed and the time you actually hear the note. If you aren't doing that kind of work, you don't really have to use the ASIO sound drivers at all, and Band in a Box does indeed seem to work more flawlessly with MME.
Good Troubleshooting, Good Solve.
Thanks for reporting back. Others may come along and find this information useful.
Have Fun!
--Mac
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Thanks for the update - I work without software synths wherever possible (only turned it on because render demanded it) as I prefer the sounds of the SD50 and the realtracks, so I'll stick to MME.
I still occasionally get lockups / bad sounds but I am gradually turning off stuff on the laptop (e.g. turn off wireless) and that seems to help, although I still don't quite understand why it should come to a grinding halt when the highest CPU I have ever seen is 25%, but I blame Windows for a lot as I'm an old mainframe man!!
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