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Thanks Noel, already done that, been that way almost since the first day I went to W8  No it's an issue where BIAB just drops the rate to 44 and even when then closed down the i/f needs a manual reset back to 48, for the rest of the system setup to function again. It's no big deal as I have got a work-around method in place, but in this day and age, I really cannot see why PG don't include 48. I think it is perhaps complacency or laziness or maybe both. But then when looking at the assumed demographic of the user base, I would hazard a guess that 75% would not know what a sampling rate is ergo, PG perhaps figure why bother changing something for a small fraction of the user base. I am not a programmer so I really do not know how much re-coding would be necessary (if any) to enable 48. And then add the quite poor sampling and recording of the real tracks (take a listen to them, there are recording artefacts, music stand noises, room noises, even some human voice noise. Plus many of them have really high and noticeable background noise. I am not saying this to particularly denigrate BIAB, but more to illustrate that in a lot of ways it is still an amateur home player program. I am using it as a means to an end at the moment, but I think unless it picks up, once that task is complete I may walk away from it. And please, to anyone who may read this, it is just my view only so I really hope people don't start trying to jump to the defence of BIAB. There is no need, and I am not saying it to spark a debate. If folks are totally happy with it the way it is and it works for them, well that's great, truly.
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PGMusic's reason for the fixed rate is likely due to the fact that REALTRACKS and REALDRUMS are based on pgm digital recordings of the actual instruments being played.
To accomodate just the addition of 48KHz bitrate would mean having to include two different raw realtrack files for every realtrack, one set at 44.1 and another at 48. That would double the datasize rifht there.
And, it wouldn't stop at just that, providing 48 would mean that someone else would soon be demanding 96KHz.
Knowing PGMusic as long as I have, I sincerely doubt that it could be due to laziness on their part, that's pretty bizarre to even make the accusation.
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Ah, he's beginning to get it.  Joden, I'm sure you're a perfectly nice guy, just tone it down a bit. Also, you're right, the RT's do have some background noise and stuff in them. Ever listen to raw studio tracks? Same thing, you hear stuff like that all the time. It's up to the mixing engineer to clean those up if he wants. Sometimes some of the background talking and other things adds to the live recording "ambience" and some like that. Mac had a good comment one time about listening to a raw recording of an upright bass player and thinking it sounded like he was doing a brake job on a Buick. That's what raw studio recordings sound like and the RT's are the same. They're not fully processed and cleaned up, that part is up to you just as if you're sitting in the control room listening to the raw drum track or whatever. To me that's not amaturish, that's what pros do in a studio. Bob
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@Joden. I have to chime in with MAC here. In spite of going out of your way to suggest that you don't intend to "particularly denegrate PG"...that is exactly what you do when you suggest they are complacent or lazy.
In addition, you take a swipe at the BIAB user base...or at least your own "assumed demographic" to suggest that the vast majority don't know what a sampling rate is.
If that swipe is directed toward the older demo, then I think you're wrong. If its directed to the younger demo then I KNOW you're wrong because "kids" a lot younger than you invented (and/or commercially developed) such things as...oh...Google, Facebook, SpaceX and Pay Pal.
Certainly, BIAB isn't perfect...but name-calling the PG folks or insulting the user base isn't a perfect thing to do either.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinions...but then again...so am I.
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Joden,
I cannot agree with you that PG Music is lazy or complacent. In all my business dealings with the company, they have been outstanding and even gone out of their way to help. During my time in these forums, I've seen Peter and his crew do some pretty amazing things from a customer service perspective.
Quite honestly, it never ceases to impress me that a company in Canada can look after me so well here in Australia.
Also, I believe that like all tools, BIAB/RB is as good as its users can use it. This is easily seen in the User Showcase forum where there is a full spectrum of users from 'just beginning' to 'seasoned professional'. Whenever I hear BIAB/RB compositions and productions by Steve Young, Floyd Jane, Janice & Bud, Rharv, ROG, Skyline (just to name a few of many), I'm always left amazed at how professional sounding the PG Music programs are in the hands of experts.
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Quite honestly, it never ceases to impress me that a company in Canada can look after me so well here in Australia. Ditto, on the quality of PG Music. Just great people to deal with. (Also from all the way "downunder") Col
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I sense your frustration, 'cause you've mentioned this many times. But I too think you crossed the line...
I wonder if there isn't another way to resolve your issue. Maybe a small script or batch file that could just revert the settings for you?
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The entire post (apart from audio recording noises) was maybe and perhaps. I specifically used those terms to avoid exactly what you are all doing, jumping to the defence of BIAB, when no defence is necessary. I was posing a view from what I need from the program, end of. I really cannot understand why you all seem to be getting so bent out of shape. Noel I never said they WERE lazy or complacent. Re noises and artefacts Bob, I don't have them in my recordings, unless it is part of the natural sounds that go with an instrument. Bass 'board taps, guitar body noise, string squeak etc...not the stuff that is in some of these samples. They are just poorly recorded in my view. In some you can even hear where compression is used and in dead space where the compressor has also raised the noise floor so that hiss is quite evident, ie no "topping and tailing". But once I get them into Sonar I can clean them up considerably, but my point is why should I have to? Anyway that is all I am going to add.  Nothing to see here folks, moving right along!
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@Joden...."I really cannot see why PG don't include 48. I think it is perhaps complacency or laziness or maybe both."
Just ain't no way to put lipstick on that pig!
It's like saying "I think perhaps you are still beating your wife." (-:
Having produced thousands of demo recordings in Nashville...many of which were copied lick-for-lick on runaway #1 major label hits, I can tell you for a fact that the "pros" do not end up with pristine, crystal clean tracks very often and many top producers are shying away from "sanitized" mixes and mastering because it sounds artificial.
Anyway...to each his own and yes...let's move on.
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In RB you can adjust the sample quality but I can't see it in BB. Lots of people like to use higher than 44K 16bit, like when you buy loops you have the option of 48k 24bit. I think a lot of BB users are very protective of BB as it is mostly what they have been using for so long and don't tend to venture out, then when others make suggestion for improvements they get defensive cause they think you are putting it down.In the past I have made a lot of suggestions that were put down but hey PG made them, I think it goes back to that "condemnation before investigation" bit. To have a 48k 24bit Audiophile drive would not cost much more than the 44k 16bit, that is the option I think you will see very soon. 
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OK, back on topic.....
WHERE is the new release, or at least some news?!
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Joden just to say that although i thought you were wrong, I defend your right to make your points without ad hominum comments.
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JCS, like a lot of software companies, they never do that. Best guess now is a Xmas release but that's just a guess. PG has never said there will always be mid year or annual new releases it's just turned out that way. It's a private company, they can do whatever they want whenever they want.
We'll know when we know.
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Hello,
I have just browsed the main PG page and I thought I would see details of band in a box 2013.5 on the site but it seems not, no mid year release this year.
last time I upgraded was last December to the 2013 ultra pak version and I was looking forward to doing my usual December upgrade this year with double the realtrack's (as all the mid year realtrack's are included with the end of year upgrade)
But it seems this year I will have to make do with only 101, I'm sure I can live with that!
PG music is a great company and I can't thank Dr Gannon enough and his staff for making this great software available to us all. In all my dealings with them I have been treated like a treasured customer, so hard to find nowdays.
Hope everyone is doing well.
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Jan, you are correct, no mid-year release (2013.5) occurred this year, at least to date. We users do not have information about what the next update may be. Of course we hope there will be a 2014 version in December.
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Thank you Matt for your reply and once again thank you and the others who have helped me with music related problems in the past.
Now I am really looking forward to band in a box 2014 and all it has to offer.
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Thank you Matt for your reply and once again thank you and the others who have helped me with music related problems in the past.
Now I am really looking forward to band in a box 2014 and all it has to offer.
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