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This isn't so much a question as a statement. BiaB 2013 doesn't allow me to have add2 chords with alternate basses. For example, if I try to create an Fadd2/G in the Chord Builder dialog, I get the message Error in chord Fadd2/G. Obviously, there are workarounds by using similar chords, but this seems an odd exclusion. 
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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Hi David,
That's an interesting find.
When I come across anomalies like this, I simply send a note to PG Support to let them know about it.
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Noel
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Done, thanks for reminding me.
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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Interestingly enough, it only happens with Fadd2, so it must be a bug.
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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F2/G works on my BIAB. Don't need the word "add". Later, Ray
Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.
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I was going to suggest F/G but if F2/G works go for what think best expresses what you want.
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Thanks!
I initially thought it applied to all add2 chords, so wondered if there was some bit of theory that might be missing out on.
But it looks like it's just an simple bug that only applied to Fadd2/X.
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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David, I verified that all the other chords, including sharps and flats, work except Fadd2.
I do wonder what the difference in BIAB is between add2 and 2. They seem to sound the same to me.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
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For BiaB, sus2 and 2 are the same (root+2nd+5th). Basically, like a sus4 but replacing the 3rd with the 2nd of the scale instead of the 4th. If you enter Csus2 BiaB will simplify it to C2 instead. The add2 adds the 2nd to the chord, but leaves the 3rd in place (root+2nd+3rd+5th). That's the theory, anyway. Who knows what a style actually plays, especially if it's a Realtrack. For example, there are a number of piano Realtracks that don't play sus4 chords when requested. I'm not sure what they're playing (my ear isn't well trained). I'm sure they're great jazz substitutions, but they aren't the chord I need, so I can't use these otherwise lovely tracks.
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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For a given Realtrack to be able to play the add2 properly, the raw Realtrack file would have to have that chord somewhere in it, as Realtracks work by selecting bits and phrases out of what was originally recorded to the "raw" Realtrack file.
"Add2" isn't likely to come up very much in the Realtrack Recording Scenario where live musicians play along with chord changes in a stylized situation.
But don't overlook use of MIDI instruments in styles along with use of a modern great sounding MIDI synth solution, using Patches such as many of the Keyboard Patches, Melodic Percussion Patches, even sometimes a certain Guitar Patch, can force the exact chord needed by use of the Melody or Soloist tracks. And, when mixed with Realtracks in the same performance, the masking of one or two MIDI instrument solutions along with selection of the more real sounding Patches available to you can yield a very realistic sounding playback.
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I'm not at my BIAB to try,
but might E#add2/G
rather than Fadd2/G
make any difference to BIAB?
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Yes, it works! And as a bonus, it's converted into an Fadd2/G.
My hat's off to you, sir! It seems so obvious in retrospect.
Changing the key to D, entering a Dadd2/E and then transposing back to F also works, but it's not nearly as elegant a workaround.
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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