|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,869
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,869 |
IMO: A TOTAL rewrite is on the cards. I notice that there has been no update at all since January. I believe that all work has ceased on BIAB. BIAB as such is in its last reincarnation. Here is my guess: There is a totally new program under development, 64 bit, new sound engine, new improved VST management, no more archaic code and weird compromises and workarounds, new GUI, possibly an amalgamation of the features in RB and Biab into one single app. Better Notation, some kind of implementation of the 'Melodyne' type technology that is capable of merging MIDI and Audio, even notating it in an editable way. Maybe even vocal tracks for Real tracks. Let's face it, Real Band will never keep up with the big boys - Cubase, Logic, Protools.... We might have to wait for this, even past Christmas and into te new year, but, IMO its going to be worth the wait! Maybe there will be teething problems, that's OK here, OK, that's put the cat amongst the pigeons. The old guard will probably want to object....  Zero
Last edited by ZeroZero; 11/05/13 02:10 PM.
Win 11 64, Asus Rog Strix z390 mobo, 64 gig RAM, 8700k
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,715
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,715 |
I don’t know if you consider me part of the old guard but I agree with almost every wish you have stated. But as you said Let's face it, Real Band will never keep up with the big boys - Cubase, Logic, Protools....
Zero . For this very reason I do not want BiaB and RB merged into one program. I would prefer to have BiaB a separate program for those of us who use Sonar, Cubase, Reason etc.
OK, a random thought;
Why does toilet paper need a commercial? Who's not buying it?
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,869
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,869 |
You may well get your way Mario, the way I see merging the programs is keeping all of the features of both, though |I would think its better to implement exporting in a less odd way. It would be good to see tracks AKA as a sequencer in biab and have a more capable mixer with perhaps VST fx etc.
I must confess I don't use real band here, it simply crashes too much.
Just my opinion.
Win 11 64, Asus Rog Strix z390 mobo, 64 gig RAM, 8700k
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,916
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,916 |
ZeroZero, I hope you are correct! PG did ask for inputs on GUI and we have not heard a peep and they missed an upgrade opportunity that has to be a little costly in terms of lost revenue. probably something big coming!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,792
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,792 |
I agree something a bit bigger than the typical must be in the work. As said in the past, i don't see a rolling of RB and BiaB into one as the solution. RB is already a rolled version of PT and BiaB. What i see is a big face lift of BiaB as ZeroZero layed out. Some much needed GUI work, a few very nice features, further development of the RT/RD/Supermiditracks path. Then aggressive further development of RB.
To say Rb will never keep up with the big boys is in my opinion a tad short sighted. Actually in some areas it is far ahead of the big boys. None of them even begin to do what RB does. Conversely Rb is admittedly lagging far behind in VST,/VSTi implementation, and in many areas of workflow. As far as stability it is very solid on my system. maybe two three crashes in the last 6 months, mostly caused by me. Still you are right it is less stable than either of my other programs. I see the future being RB split off from BiaB, and not being umbilically connected. But standing alone. So that it's evolution is separate. The ability to add in a far greater range of VSTi plugs, and technology like ARA from Melodyne.
I was tinkering with Studio one V2 Artist the other night, (came with my new interface) WOW being able to double click a wave track and open Melodyne, and make great edits was seamless. This is also the case in Sonar 3 now. Being able to include tempo lock VSTi like jamstix. further evolution of RD where the drum tracks are on separate channels. 64 bit for RB. As it stands now i can do a project from start to finish in RB. But just a few more improvements and stability mods would make it a very big deal. Routing and bussing could be upgraded somewhat.
Imagine Rb with RT/Rd tech, Super midi tech, Full VST/VSTi, 64 bit engine, ARA coding, Flexable routing, Upgraded Audio edit window (melodyne would fix a lot of that), comping lanes, the ability to choose the input for individual tracks rather than have it record on all the tracks at one time for multi input interfaces.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,869
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,869 |
Some thoughtful points there Rob
Win 11 64, Asus Rog Strix z390 mobo, 64 gig RAM, 8700k
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,167
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,167 |
IMO: A TOTAL rewrite is on the cards. I notice that there has been no update at all since January. I believe that all work has ceased on BIAB. BIAB as such is in its last reincarnation. Here is my guess: There is a totally new program under development, 64 bit, new sound engine, new improved VST management, no more archaic code and weird compromises and workarounds, new GUI, possibly an amalgamation of the features in RB and Biab into one single app. Better Notation, some kind of implementation of the 'Melodyne' type technology that is capable of merging MIDI and Audio, even notating it in an editable way. Maybe even vocal tracks for Real tracks. Let's face it, Real Band will never keep up with the big boys - Cubase, Logic, Protools.... We might have to wait for this, even past Christmas and into te new year, but, IMO its going to be worth the wait! Maybe there will be teething problems, that's OK here, OK, that's put the cat amongst the pigeons. The old guard will probably want to object.... Zero There is always the flip side of the coin. I agree 64 bit probably will be implemented, but maybe not a lot more. Maybe just maybe the half year upgrades weren't as profitable to PGmusic as we think, all the work involved for not a lot in return and all the trouble involved. Maybe all the extra realtracks lying around have become all used up, just enough left for a 2014 version. To be honest, although I may well be wrong I'd be surprised if there is a vastly different GUI in 14. Musiclover
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,167
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,167 |
IMO: A TOTAL rewrite is on the cards. I notice that there has been no update at all since January. I believe that all work has ceased on BIAB. BIAB as such is in its last reincarnation. Here is my guess: There is a totally new program under development, 64 bit, new sound engine, new improved VST management, no more archaic code and weird compromises and workarounds, new GUI, possibly an amalgamation of the features in RB and Biab into one single app. Better Notation, some kind of implementation of the 'Melodyne' type technology that is capable of merging MIDI and Audio, even notating it in an editable way. Maybe even vocal tracks for Real tracks. Let's face it, Real Band will never keep up with the big boys - Cubase, Logic, Protools.... We might have to wait for this, even past Christmas and into te new year, but, IMO its going to be worth the wait! Maybe there will be teething problems, that's OK here, OK, that's put the cat amongst the pigeons. The old guard will probably want to object.... Zero There is always the flip side of the coin. I agree 64 bit probably will be implemented, but maybe not a lot more. Maybe just maybe the half year upgrades weren't as profitable to PGmusic as we think, all the work involved for not a lot in return and all the trouble involved. Maybe all the extra realtracks lying around have become all used up, just enough left for a 2014 version. To be honest, although I may well be wrong I'd be surprised if there is a vastly different GUI in 14. But whatever is realeased the BIAB junkies we are, we will definitely buy it. Musiclover
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 108
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 108 |
I am curious why pg music doesn't communicate more with the forum faithful, so we're not always guessing what's coming down the pike....
Biab 2019 ultra pack
Dell laptop I7 running windows 2010
Midi keyboard
Roland BR600 8 track recorder
Sonar X3 producer
flstudio 20
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,572
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,572 |
As a SONAR user, do you visit their forum? That will really give you an eye-opener on the topic of companies communicating with users. Cakewalk actually emerged quite well recently, but only after a very difficult year.
Bostonx, I have no such concerns with PG Music. Never have had. You are new to the forum, so you couldn't have a feel for this yet, but hang in there.
BIAB 2026 Win Audiophile. Software: Fender Studio One 8, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Fender Quantom HD8 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,916
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,916 |
As a SONAR user, do you visit their forum? That will really give you an eye-opener on the topic of companies communicating with users. Cakewalk actually emerged quite well recently, but only after a very difficult year.
Bostonx, I have no such concerns with PG Music. Never have had. You are new to the forum, so you couldn't have a feel for this yet, but hang in there.
been here a little over a year and there certainly are lots of users here who are very helpful! but I have not seen much activity from PG here. do they post here very much?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 58
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 58 |
As a SONAR user, do you visit their forum? That will really give you an eye-opener on the topic of companies communicating with users. Cakewalk actually emerged quite well recently, but only after a very difficult year.
Bostonx, I have no such concerns with PG Music. Never have had. You are new to the forum, so you couldn't have a feel for this yet, but hang in there.
I've been on the Sonar Forum for about 1.5 yrs, and was really impressed with the amount and quality of the interaction from Cakewalk's management/technical support! It was quite a change from a previous life as an owner of a Cirrus Aircraft SR22 airplane and member of the Cirrus Owners Pilots Association (COPA). It was company rules that forbid any Cirrus employer from posting on the forum. Although the President did break the rule once when somebody showed a video of a flying lawnmower and he couldn't stop laughing! He had to comment. I prefer the Cakewalk (Sonar) mode of providing support, news, etc. on their forum. Wally G
Yamaha Montage 6 Roland J80, D50, Integra 7, BK-7m, FR-8X, 1967 Fender Jaguar, Fender Strat, Fender 1965 Twin Reverb reissue, Selmer Trumpet, Akai EWI, Studio One 4 My WEB Site: www.gontowski.com/music
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
Wally,
I should think that the legalities of an Aircraft Manufacturer are just a tad bit more complex than those regarding Music Making Softwares.
let us pray,
--Mac
But then I'm still full of wonder as to how a couple of pilots - and combined AT Controllers - could manage to land that 747 jumbo on the wrong strip like that. If you haven't heard the radio log on that one yet...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,572
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,572 |
John3, I don't think PG staff posts here much, but we do know they read it because suggestions have been implemented. For example, I have been contacted for more detail on a suggestion.
Suggest away!
BIAB 2026 Win Audiophile. Software: Fender Studio One 8, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Fender Quantom HD8 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 58
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 58 |
Wally,
I should think that the legalities of an Aircraft Manufacturer are just a tad bit more complex than those regarding Music Making Softwares.
let us pray,
--Mac
But then I'm still full of wonder as to how a couple of pilots - and combined AT Controllers - could manage to land that 747 jumbo on the wrong strip like that. If you haven't heard the radio log on that one yet...
From discussions on the WEB site and personal discussions with management, it was a marketing decision. Eventually technical liaisons (COPA members)were established as conduits between pilots and management/engineering. Landing or approaches to the wrong airport happen all the time. There are 8 color GPS maps in our plane. I was flying to Fullerton CA airport under an IFR flight plan. Controllers were amending our flight plan every five minutes in the very busy LA airspace. I was very busy constantly changing way points into the GPS. Finally ATC stated that the runway of intended landing was straight ahead. I looked up and there it was. I quickly contacted the tower and informed them that we were on a straight in approach. The tower came back and said "no, you just passing the airport off the left. Two similar airports in close proximity to each other with the same runway headings. It happens... Wally G
Yamaha Montage 6 Roland J80, D50, Integra 7, BK-7m, FR-8X, 1967 Fender Jaguar, Fender Strat, Fender 1965 Twin Reverb reissue, Selmer Trumpet, Akai EWI, Studio One 4 My WEB Site: www.gontowski.com/music
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
XPro & Xtra Styles PAK Sets On Sale Now - Until May 15, 2026!
All of our XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs are on sale until May 15th, 2026!
It's the perfect time to expand your Band-in-a-Box® style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs. These additional styles for Band-in-a-Box® offer a wide range of genres designed to fit seamlessly into your projects. Each style is professionally arranged and mixed, helping enhance your songs while saving you time.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!
The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.
The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac Videos
With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.
Whether you're exploring new features, checking out the latest RealTracks or Style PAKs, this is your go-to guide for Band-in-a-Box® 2026.
Check out this forum post for "One Stop Shopping" of our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Videos!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 100 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until May 15, 2026. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49.
Holiday Weekend Hours
As we hop into the Easter weekend, here are our holiday hours:
April 3 (Good Friday): 8:00 AM – 4:00 PM PDT
April 4 (Saturday): Closed
April 5 (Easter Sunday): Closed
April 6 (Easter Monday): Open regular hours
Wishing you an egg-cellent weekend!
— Team PG
Update to Build 10 of RealBand® 2026 for Windows®!
If you're already using RealBand 2026 for Windows, download build 10 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® users: Build 904 now available!
If you're already using Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, make sure to grab the latest update! Build 904 is now available for download and includes the newest additions and enhancements from our team.
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® users: Build 1237 is now available!
Already a Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows user? Stay up to date and download the build 1237 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics86,216
Posts802,019
Members40,070
| |
Most Online64,515
Apr 8th, 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean