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Finally got it totally complete. I had to do a lot of experimenting with the pickup system. I have a tune done as well. If anyone wants to hear PM me an email address. Or if someone can host the file and post a link would be even better.
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Sounds like the old original Danelectro bass...
With a tad bit more inherent sustain to it.
Danny thru a compressor pedal and he right settings should sound remarkably similar.
--Mac
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BTW I'd like some constructive feed back.
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I would be wanting to connect that bass directly to a good sound card and use some good audio analyzer software that contains Real Time Analysis and other spectrum graphics to see what's going on before drawing any conclusions. If I didn't have a contact mic, I'd likely just make do by pressing the body or bridge tightly against any flat response mic I have and try to take a sample that way.
I'd also want to use a flat contact mic on it and run the same tests again, in order to find out what the differences may be in what is inherent in the strings body and bridge vs what the actual pickup is doing. Although I'd be willing to bet that the pickup is not the culprit. I'm thinking it is the string composition and length that is giving it the Dano bass sound. And that may be something you will just have to live with then.
Don't misunderstand, sounding like a Dano is not a knock. Countless hit songs were recorded on the Dano Electric Bass at one time, sometimes even in conjunction with String Bass where both would play the exact same parts at the same time, the old "Tic Tac" bass prominent on many a recording from the era. And it would work good in bluegrass as well. After all, the Dano bass and the Dano guitars were even used by some prominent Jazz and Bebop players for a short time and nobody complained.
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I would be wanting to connect that bass directly to a good sound card and use some good audio analyzer software that contains Real Time Analysis and other spectrum graphics to see what's going on before drawing any conclusions. If I didn't have a contact mic, I'd likely just make do by pressing the body or bridge tightly against any flat response mic I have and try to take a sample that way.
I'd also want to use a flat contact mic on it and run the same tests again, in order to find out what the differences may be in what is inherent in the strings body and bridge vs what the actual pickup is doing. Although I'd be willing to bet that the pickup is not the culprit. I'm thinking it is the string composition and length that is giving it the Dano bass sound. And that may be something you will just have to live with then.
Don't misunderstand, sounding like a Dano is not a knock. Countless hit songs were recorded on the Dano Electric Bass at one time, sometimes even in conjunction with String Bass where both would play the exact same parts at the same time, the old "Tic Tac" bass prominent on many a recording from the era. And it would work good in bluegrass as well. After all, the Dano bass and the Dano guitars were even used by some prominent Jazz and Bebop players for a short time and nobody complained.
--Mac I have no experience in what one needs to sound like. For Bluegrass I think undefined and thumpy is what's wanted. Here's a breakdown of some specifics: 1.Pups are 2 35mm piezos under the feet of the bridge 2. pre is a Tech 21 VT bass.Lots of tone variation available with this. 3. Bass was built to utilize standard 3/4 doublebass strings 4. scale length is 41-3/4" 5. strings are nylon "weedwackers" used by a lot of rock-a-billy players. What needs to happen to get the tone more in line?Although I've been told by many that anEUB will never sound like a real upright.I believe that. Just trying to get away from a bass guitar sound.I have a real nice one of them already.
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I forgot about a tool I have. I loaded a BG RT and can hear what the real thing sounds like. I need to change my pre settings to get closer. I'll try a new recording and see if I get closer.I'll send it to Dan tomorrow.
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I forgot about a tool I have. I loaded a BG RT and can hear what the real thing sounds like. I need to change my pre settings to get closer. I'll try a new recording and see if I get closer.I'll send it to Dan tomorrow. That is exactly what I was going to suggest when reading your first return post. Only I would find one good note out of the Realtracks bass and then put that into the software analyzer and compare results to the same note plucked in the same fashion to find out what frequency bands or range is missing, or possibly which ones there are too much of. Then I'd have a place to stand in order to design up some EQ tailoring possibilities in the preamp. Of course, it might be the case where there are frequencies totally MISSING in your prototype, which would be a problem since we can't amplify a band that is not there in the first place, but first things first. It might be a situation where a bit of physical changes in something on your prototype may bring out those freqs, you see. If you want to do it using your ears, that can work as well, provided you can ballpark the frequency bands. Might insert a graphic EQ onto your bass signal path, either a hardware one in realtime or a software plugin after the fact and play around with the shaping while listening. Compare to the "target" realtrack sample bass. --Mac
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