In previous versions I edited the tool bar and removed lots of icons I never use. In 2014 I am forced to see all of these all the time?! Can we please have the old arrow button back which used to list the tools and I could untick the ones I never want to see? This would make things a little better.
In previous versions I edited the tool bar and removed lots of icons I never use. In 2014 I am forced to see all of these all the time?! Can we please have the old arrow button back which used to list the tools and I could untick the ones I never want to see? This would make things a little better.
I agree.
The user interface should be fully 'user configurable' Right now (2014) there are basically 4 sections: Drop, Song, Transport and Views (and the Mixer/Plugins box to the right)
To free up some working real estate, how about allowing the user to toggle OFF/ON any of these sections?
Also the ability to add or remove icons in each section would be nice.
BTW, the current new interface is a big improvement!
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))) The user interface should be fully 'user configurable' Right now (2014) there are basically 4 sections: Drop, Song, Transport and Views (and the Mixer/Plugins box to the right)
To free up some working real estate, how about allowing the user to toggle OFF/ON any of these sections? ------------------------
That's a real good idea biabguy . I will look into that.
Good idea, how about a Toggle Off of everything BUT Transport all in one stroke.
I'm thinking about being able to instantly bop back and forth from minimal tools and maximum Chord Sheet or Notation Window and back to Full View as needed...
I also still like the idea of having only one row of tools with tabs to select the toolbar you want, rather than having multiple toolbars that require multiple rows. If you had that and could toggle the mixer window, problem solved. And the Transport window should probably be visible at all times, preferably located directly over the chordsheet.
But whatever you can do will be much appreciated.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Having to toggle the Mixer view separately from the toolbars view?
Mixer would still take up all that vertical real estate, what happens to the LH side?
I don't want a big empty gray area there, taking up space like we already can if you expand the Mixer to show both the Thru and Audio sections.
And I wouldn't like to have to do TWO commands in a row to basically do one thing, see the Chord Sheet or Notation window, or work with all of the things across the top as now.
The only things needed to see when viewing the Chord Sheet or Notation View while BB plays are the Transport buttons.
Think of those using BiaB to play out live.
I fold my laptop out flat and place it on the big black music stand or on the pianoboard and use the Notation View as the chart while playing live, set to the Melody channel. Lyrics, Melody Notes and Chords are right there together, getting used to the two bar refresh scrolling didn't take more than a few minutes, using the Note Based Lyrics means that the old row for Lyrics can be used to indicate what's coming up in a song:
Sure, you have a point, but I am thinking of the most flexibility for everyone, including those who play out live on gigs. I didn't want to get too deeply into GUI design: not my area of expertise, and not my responsibility to speculate how difficult the changes would be. However, since you asked, what I envision is that the mixer can be toggled off. What I should have added is that it could be dragged.
I don't see this as requiring two actions to do one thing. Just toggle the mixer as follows:
When the new mixer is hidden, there would be one double-height row of toolbars at the top, with tabs to select which one you see. Then there would be a single height transport toolbar. The chordsheet would come up and abut just below the now-smaller area for toolbars. Two rows of toolbars of space saved.
When the new mixer is viewable, it could be dragged anywhere just like the old mixer, so you could position it anywhere over the chordsheet, which is still much larger than now because of the smaller toolbar space.
When playing live, perhaps you might not want to use the new mixer, and instead have up the small older mixer?
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
I've never needed to Mix while playing out, I spend time getting the proper sound and equal output from song to song, Save, and leave that alone at the gigs.
Really, if you've got to be constantly fiddling with the sound at that level at the gig, something's wrong somewhere.
I like to focus on my performance, not be the sound man.
I could do this in 2013 (hoping attached "File Manager" pictures appear.)
If not, I could ^T, then slide the window down so all the icon stuff was off the screen. Bring up the mixer, turn on the metronome and place then at the top. Put a clock up there, sometimes. All is pretty.
My chess software, Fritz, used to have a clunky and esoteric GUI. I used to have to hunt down features in sub menus and dialog boges much like BIAB.
A couple of versions ago (ver. 12, they are now on ver. 14... another program I need to update), they decided to adopt the "Ribbon" interface ans things are much more intuitive.
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