Noel - Help! Is this what it did? Cause I think this is what you asked it to do.
Otherwise, you may have come upon an often cited shortcoming of where you cannot push a chord onto a beat of the prior chord. Meaning you can't put a chord on the 2+ and the 3. Does that make sense? there may be workarounds with spreading out two bars to be played as one and doubling the tempo. But I am getting a little over my head...
You've interpreted the chords perfectly if they were entered as Bb13 ^Ab13,G13.
Maybe BIABguy was after a chord on beat 2& as well as beat 3. If so, then it's necessary to think laterally. It can be done but it's not so straightforward.
Let's see if he gives a little more information after reading your reply and then we can address his situation. It would be good if he outlines the progression for the whole bar and where he'd like chords to occur.
You've interpreted the chords perfectly if they were entered as Bb13 ^Ab13,G13.
Maybe BIABguy was after a chord on beat 2& as well as beat 3. If so, then it's necessary to think laterally. It can be done but it's not so straightforward.
Let's see if he gives a little more information after reading your reply and then we can address his situation. It would be good if he outlines the progression for the whole bar and where he'd like chords to occur.
Sorry guys.
The problem was with the formatting on this forum. I inputted a bar of chords on the correct beats, but when I posted here, the forum software had its own ideas as to how to format the bar!
I will describe the bar and try to input it once again. Beat 'one' is Bb13. Beat 'two &' is Ab13. Beat 'three' is G13. Nothing on beat 'four'.
You could do this by using 2 bars that will effectively play in the same time as the single bar.
BEFORE DOING ANYTHING, save the song with a new file name. This will allow you easily to return to the present song if you need to.
Read on ...
1. Insert a bar after the present bar. Click on the inserted bar. Now press f5 and set the number of beats of this inserted bar to "2".
2. Click on the bar following the inserted bar and set the beats to 4.
(In effect, what's happened is that a 2/4 bar has been inserted and we've set BIAB to play 4/4 after the inserted bar.)
3. Type G13 on beat 1 of the inserted bar.
4. Now click on the bar before the inserted bar. Press f5 and change the tempo to twice the speed. (For example, if your song's tempo is 85, type 170 in the box highlighted below.)
5. On the chord sheet for this bar, type Bb13 on beat 1 and Ab 13 on beat 4. (That is type Bb13 on beat 1 and ,Ab13 on beat 3. The comma is important.)
6. Now click on the inserted 2/4 bar and set the tempo back to the song's original speed.
7. Generate the song and play.
What have we done?
In a nutshell, we've created a 4/4 bar that plays twice as quickly as the rest of the song. This means, it will play in the same amount of time that half a bar will play at the song's normal speed. Since it's a 4/4 bar, though, I can put 4 chords into it. When I couple this twice-as-fast 4/4 bar with the following 2/4 bar at normal speed, I end up with the combined effect of a single bar.
Try it and see if it works ok for you. You might want to experiment with Shots and Holds to make it even more effective.
Please let Dan and I know how it worked out for you. We're interested!
Try it and see if it works ok for you. You might want to experiment with Shots and Holds to make it even more effective.
Please let Dan and I know how it worked out for you. We're interested!
All the best, Noel
Thanks Noel, that was a really valiant attempt! I understand the concept. However in practice things aren't working out as planned.
Here's what's happening:
The first bar plays, first chord on beat one, fine.
The bar starts playing faster (as we programmed it and you can hear it). Why can you hear it? Because the organ's bass is starting to WALK!!!!!
And the first chord is playing an inversion on the 2nd beat!!!
And the chord on beat four is playing way late!
Then when the second bar plays, the walking bass stops and things slow down noticeably.
This is not a smooth transition! It sounds like the tempo is doubling for one bar and then coming back to the original tempo (on top of the other problems).
Thanks Noel, that was a really valiant attempt! I understand the concept. However in practice things aren't working out as planned.
Here's what's happening:
The first bar plays, first chord on beat one, fine.
The bar starts playing faster (as we programmed it and you can hear it). Why can you hear it? Because the organ's bass is starting to WALK!!!!!
And the first chord is playing an inversion on the 2nd beat!!!
And the chord on beat four is playing way late!
Then when the second bar plays, the walking bass stops and things slow down noticeably.
This is not a smooth transition! It sounds like the tempo is doubling for one bar and then coming back to the original tempo (on top of the other problems).
The success of the above really does depend on style. The principle is a sound one but, in practice, there are limitations. This would be especially true if the initial tempo is one of the faster ones.
I'm curious. In the doubled time bar, did you try Bb13... and ,Ab13... or maybe Bb13.. and ,Ab13..
I think that is what they are called when two bars in BiaB equal one bar of actual music. I am not at my music computer right now to check the name. I have never used them so I don’t know for sure.
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Check the bar number area of the Chord Sheet, you could have inadvertently entered a B Substyle Part Marker there, which in many jazz styles would invoke the Walking Bass.
I think that is what they are called when two bars in BiaB equal one bar of actual music. I am not at my music computer right now to check the name. I have never used them so I don’t know for sure.
Yes, that is where we were going (I think), but I am not sure Noel got the instruction right (with all due respect and Good Bless his heart) . The four beat 1 bar at 2x tempo followed by the two beat bar at normal tempo may not be the best way. Should we not have combined two full 4 beat bars at 2x tempo to allow us to place chords on the eight note? And the "holds" he has suggested seem a good idea to try.
I know there has been lots of talk about this in the past. And this has been a very long term wish list item. So is this workaround only academic or does this work. Remember we are talking RTs here so the styles should not be controlling.
The first bar plays, first chord on beat one, fine.
The bar starts playing faster (as we programmed it and you can hear it). Why can you hear it? Because the organ's bass is starting to WALK!!!!!
And the first chord is playing an inversion on the 2nd beat!!!
And the chord on beat four is playing way late!
Then when the second bar plays, the walking bass stops and things slow down noticeably.
This is not a smooth transition! It sounds like the tempo is doubling for one bar and then coming back to the original tempo (on top of the other problems).
The total here points to a B Substyle being played there, that's the first thing to check, a Green Part Marker.
Also, if this is the same songfile where he's trying to play B Walking Bass with A organ substyle at same time, there could be many things that won't match up when trying that.
I don't usually chord comp the same way when the Bass is walking than when its not. With Walking Bass, you can and should get a bit busier and take more liberties, likely embellishing more. That is the whole point of it, actually.
Upon further listening and having integrated this into several places in the song along with multiple regenerations, I do tend to hear the band try to get busier to accompany the faster tempo (presumably). I think I fixed this by placing a "hold" on the FMaj7... and the E7(#5)... Seems to eliminate the embellishments. Over all I think it was a success!
Upon further listening and having integrated this into several places in the song along with multiple regenerations, I do tend to hear the band try to get busier to accompany the faster tempo (presumably). I think I fixed this by placing a "hold" on the FMaj7... and the E7(#5)... Seems to eliminate the embellishments. Over all I think it was a success!
Thanks for taking the time to help Dan! I just tried your suggestion and it gave similar results to Noel's suggestion. -I hear speeding up because of the organ's walking bass that kicks in. -The first chord is played twice (beats one and two) -The chord in the second bar first beat is NOT played now! In fact no chord is played in the second bar.
I am afraid it is dependent on the tempo and the actual RT's being used. My very slow Jazz Ballad with Piano and Strings seemed to work pretty good. It definitely allowed placement on the OFF BEAT, which is where we started with this thread, and obviously not easy in BIAB. I'll listen some more to see if my changes makes the final cut.
Good exercise through.
<<BUT... the two chords are cut off. They are played as 16th or even 32nds!>>
You did use a Hold (...) and Not a Shot (..), right?
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