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I can open more than one app as well, but to move audio and midi between platforms can introduce unique challenges to say the least. Each platform handles drag and drop differently. Timing, timeline, mid tools vary. Even if it is a smooth transition it still take time and work to do. interesting...I am always saving files out and then opening/importing them into another program. do you use drag/drop a lot? I kinda assumed that would not work well and never really tried it. can you drag from BIAB and drop in a DAW?
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No you have to drag to a folder or to the drag and drop area feature in BiaB. This is the reason i dug in and learned Rb as well as I have i can open the BiaB files natively, and no movement issues. I just never open up another DAW until i find RB simply won't do something at all, or at least it does it so badly i can't deal with the workaround.
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No you have to drag to a folder or to the drag and drop area feature in BiaB. This is the reason i dug in and learned Rb as well as I have i can open the BiaB files natively, and no movement issues. I just never open up another DAW until i find RB simply won't do something at all, or at least it does it so badly i can't deal with the workaround. I am trying again to use RealBand and I find it to be so slow to load my BIAB files...a song file that loads in a second or two in BIAB takes 40 seconds to load in RB! Also when I make adjustments to things it seems to lag rather than effecting the change immediately. Is it possible I have RB set up wrong?
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RB opens songs slower than Biab, that's because it writes out all the tracks first, and marks them.
Biab is often still generating tracks as it plays. That's because it doesn't have to have a wav drawing, be ready for audio editing, etc right away.
RB sets itself up with everything written out and generated. That way you can open a file and start slicing and dicing .. or mark a section and regenerate .. etc.
As for the lag; RB is likely running MME (WDM) drivers. If you have ASIO available it may be faster.
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You can drag and drop into SONAR with no intermediate folder. It depends on the DAW you are using.
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I am trying again to use RealBand and I find it to be so slow to load my BIAB files...a song file that loads in a second or two in BIAB takes 40 seconds to load in RB! Also when I make adjustments to things it seems to lag rather than effecting the change immediately. Is it possible I have RB set up wrong?
Tip: After opening the BiaB file in RB, save it as a RB format file (.SEQ) Next time you open it in RB, it will be virtually instant. HTH, Cheers Trevor
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I am trying again to use RealBand and I find it to be so slow to load my BIAB files...a song file that loads in a second or two in BIAB takes 40 seconds to load in RB! Also when I make adjustments to things it seems to lag rather than effecting the change immediately. Is it possible I have RB set up wrong?
Tip: After opening the BiaB file in RB, save it as a RB format file (.SEQ) Next time you open it in RB, it will be virtually instant. HTH, Cheers Trevor Thanks Trevor! I will try that.
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After much frustration with n-track I moved to MultiTrackStudio and never looked back. It can do way more than I can  I bought Reaper out of curiosity but found it daunting compared to MultiTrackStudio so I only try it now and again if I can't do something in MTS.
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MTS is simply the best independent SAW on the market. Maybe not as customizable as Reaper but stability, simplicity, and the quality of the plugins is superior. The way it handles midi and synths is so powerful. It allows you to add audio effects to midi tracks and edit the output.
Both MTS, and Reaper are very solid performers. Still there are a couple things that they do not do that I like for me personally. These are also the things that PG does not do, so I had to choose between sonar and studio one. When I received SD1 with my interface the deal was sealed. I still have MTS on my system, and revert to it at times.
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+2 on MultiTrackStudio MTS
Everything works, nothing ever crashes, world class sound and plugins included, those thinking they need separate Mastering software should look at MTS, that Mastering Strip and the included Master Comp/Lim are incredible.
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By the way, I also use Adobe Audition (the former Cool Edit Pro). I realize some might not consider this a DAW. It's primarily a stereo wave file editor, but it does have multitrack recording and CD burning capability, so it is useful for more than just fade outs, trimming the final file and making MP3s. The spectrum analysis and noise reduction features, to name just two, make this a must-have part of my workflow.
Yes, Matt. I forgot to mention that. I use multiple screens on my PC and always have a Spectrum analysis window open on the side screen. It comes in real handy for finding pitch issues and what instruments may have bad spikes at certain frequencies.
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A 3rd Chime-in for MultitrackStudio Pro Plus, on both OSX and Windoze. Ditto what Sinbad and Mac said. I love it.
Plus, just as a side note, I like supporting the underdogs that know how to code and have a business model that takes care of the users.
A lot of great musicians do not have a lot of money, and MTS is a solid piece of software and provides great bang for the buck. Now available for iPad too!
I do occasionally open RB when using it in conjunction with BIAB, but since I use BIAB for mostly practice, this doesn't happen much. MTS is my go to DAW for production...
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You can drag and drop into SONAR with no intermediate folder. It depends on the DAW you are using. You can drag and drop into REAPER with no intermediate folder. It depends on the DAW you are using. Too Cool!
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My biggest hurdle has been finding something that handles Midi well. I like to be able to add midi parts to a mix, but I find midi editing in RB horrible. I cut my teeth on Cakewalk 3 (pre-wav version) and love the midi editing features in it. I could edit midi in a fraction of the time it takes me in RB. Anyone have good experience editing midi in Reaper or Sonar?
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I am not familiar with Reaper, but I have done extensive editing of MIDI in SONAR and it is my program of choice for that purpose. The exception is that editing via staff notation is sometimes something of a problem, so I take MIDI out to a notation program then back to SONAR.
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Thanks, Matt. I'm going to download the Sonar trial and see how it works for me. I do a lot of editing in "Event List" mode in my old Cakewalk version.
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I am not familiar with Reaper, but I have done extensive editing of MIDI in SONAR and it is my program of choice for that purpose. The exception is that editing via staff notation is sometimes something of a problem, so I take MIDI out to a notation program then back to SONAR. Matt, can you advise which program you like to use for Notation editing? I agree with the comment from Rich that MIDI editing in RB is somewhat cumbersome compared to other programs. Thanks Trevor
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My biggest hurdle has been finding something that handles Midi well. I like to be able to add midi parts to a mix, but I find midi editing in RB horrible. I cut my teeth on Cakewalk 3 (pre-wav version) and love the midi editing features in it. I could edit midi in a fraction of the time it takes me in RB. Anyone have good experience editing midi in Reaper or Sonar?
Thanks The MIDI engine inside today's Sonar is pretty much the exact same and good MIDI engine that many of us came to know and love from back in the days of Greg Hendershot's original Cakewalk. So you might want to take a look at Sonar. --Mac
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Doesn't RB have the hybrid MIDI Piano Roll/Notation editor mode? I always found this to be the easiest note-based editor around when I was using PowerTracks Pro Audio.
You have to choose this mode, it's not the default midi editor. I'm referring to the mode where the note value is presented on staff, the length is presented as a horizontal flag and the velocity is presented as a vertical flag.
That was and still is in my opinion, one of the most 'musical' way to do note-based MIDI editing.
Mixcraft DAW will display note length in it's notation display, as a horizontal flag, but I'm not sure you can grab the flag and change length right on the staff like you can with PTPA (and I assume RB).
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Yeah Rockstar, I use the piano roll mode to edit MIDI. It's much easier than trying to mess about in the Event list.
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