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Mac makes a good point as usual about the forum. I can normally remember posts I have read for several years, at least enough about them to remember that we talked about a particular subject. However, I can't prove that, since the older posts are no longer available. I used to be able to answer questions by referring someone to an older post, but I don't even try to do that now unless the post is very recent. The "book" everyone is requesting was probably almost 'written' once. Much of what people need to know was once in the forum posts, so it could have been assembled in part by good arranging and editing.
However, even though I used to keep a small library of common answers I had written so I could drop them into a post easily, I find that the nature of questions now has changed enough that my tiny library isn't current. The largest obstacle to writing a good Dummies book on Band-in-a-Box might be that PG Music invents new features so quickly, it would be difficult to keep up with them! Of course, that's a nice problem to have.
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In the meantime, the faq on the PG site will give plenty of questions to start with. It is logical to assume that most people check there first to get their answers, but having done that myself, I can testify that the answers seem to assume that you know more about the program, than a novice would know.
While helpful, they don't and probably can't provide enough step by step detail to get a dummy moving and grooving. The faqs are a great tool, but they do require some wading thru a lot of information, and some basic knowledge of midi terminology. So maybe a preliminary tutorial listing the terms and definitions. Terms like Patch, CC, Program Change, Event. Some people do not even know what to look for when trying to solve a problem.
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With no disrespect meant: I find the currently available videos for BIAB so tedious and slow to get to the meat of the matter they are almost unbearable. The pdf help manual is more helpfull to me overall. A BIAB for dummies would be great however. The manuals for Reaper published by LULU are relatively inexpensive and thorough. Spiral bound and the print quality is good. The mixing manual and the Using Reaper were 360 pages and at the time cost $12.95. I believe their prices have gone up recently . Another option might be an online Wiki with user submitted input. Mac would be an excellent caretake imho. Here a link to the Reaper Wiki. http://www.cockos.com/wiki/index.php/Reaper_Documentation
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I like that Reaper WIKI. Good suggestion.
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In the meantime, the faq on the PG site will give plenty of questions to start with. It is logical to assume that most people check there first to get their answers, but having done that myself, I can testify that the answers seem to assume that you know more about the program, than a novice would know.
Would that more would use the FAQ.
For one thing, I don't think people know how to access information quickly on a webpage FAQ by hitting ctrl-F and typing a keyword or phrase into the Find box. Even though the directions on how to do that are right at the top of every pgmusic FAQ page.
I was around when the FAQ page was started and it is indeed an attempt to cover most often asked repeat forum questions. It does a pretty good job of doing so IMO and I often answer forum questions by cutting and pasting from that FAQ page.
There is never going to be a situation where a program as intense as BIAB will allow instant gratification to a new user. Can't be done and still provide the level of complexity available, which, incidentally, is there more due to user wishlists and requests than any other reason.
I've even had the link to the FAQ page in my dotsig at the bottom of every post on this forum for two or three years, but I somehow doubt the majority of people have ever used the FAQ page here from the amount of times we answer the same question. Sometimes within hours the same question pops up again and again.
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Sometimes within hours the same question pops up again and again.
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Unfortunately, that's a common theme in ANY online community ... regardless of the main subject or product of the site.
I am guilty as well. Most times, I will try to understand what the manual or FAQ is saying before I even dare posting a question. However, sometimes I may not quite understand the explanation. English is not my first language and I often "get it" (finally), if someone explains something to me in very basic and simple language. I am sure that many others have similar issues. Some people aren't very "technical" and that doesn't help the situation. I am sure you know that.
However, it would not hurt for users to sift through some pages of topics (if the search is NOT working, some sites just don't keep up with the search function), before asking the question. I've seen the same questions asked within a few threads apart. Now, THAT is something the user should keep into consideration before posting. It would help.
Just my observations.
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Only this dumb forumboard search is broken -- or possibly intentionally truncated to save server space, dunno, but you can't find many posts from more than a few months back, much less last year. --Mac
I didn't know that. That's a shame.
In all the other forums I always search back to see if an issue has been covered already.
I can't tell you how much it kills me to see questions on guitar forums like "In what order should my pedals go?" or "What is a good bedroon practice amp?" AGH!
However, most of my BiaB questions usually concern new features in new versions that couldn't possibly have come up a year ago so I don't tend to search back much.
Well, now I know that I can't anyway. Too bad.
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The post that always makes me go AGH!:
"What's the best _________?" (soundcard, mixer, pc, laptop, microphone, MIDI synth, left-handed fishing pole, you-name-it)
Um, best for what purpose?
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The post that always makes me go AGH!:
"What's the best _________?" (soundcard, mixer, pc, laptop, microphone, MIDI synth, left-handed fishing pole, you-name-it)
Um, best for what purpose?
--Mac
You ought to go to SoundClick's forums sometimes ... especially the more technical ones ... it's gotten so bad there, that most responses are:
"RTFM", or, "Google is your friend". In some cases just blatant ridicule by the more seasoned users.
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Some peoples lives are "just too important" to bother with figuring it out for themselves. In this age of "instant self gratification" they figure they are owed.. My favorite type of posts are they that threaten to go to another software ..."if I can't get this going I guess I will go to XX since it works there"... to which I say "Goodbye".....or "I just have a quick question", which could have been answered faster if they would have typed it into the search box! A few years back I noticed a rash of "I don't have the time to look for this....how do I..." and my pat answer was "Sorry, I don't have time to answer..." Rude, maybe, but not as rude as expecting folks to jump because you think YOUR life is so important... Sorry...rant off.... 
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This concept sounds like a great idea to me. There are a few websites which play music that I care about and they have a PayPal 'Donate' button to help defer the time and expense of maintaining the site. The listener pushes the button and uses their PayPal account to make a donation.
I certainly wouldn't be adverse to chipping in some bucks to Mac in order for him to began work on a project like this. It could be in PDF or Word format for all I care, although I imagine it would need the blessing of the PG staff, et al.
With the text and some selected screen shots, I believe that the project would have a lot of value. Posting the drafts somewhere for proofing by the old timers on this forum would work also. Contributions from those that have advanced specific experience could also be a benefit.
So I say, "Why not try it?" No doubt it would become a difficult and time-consuming enterprise, but it would have a lot of value for a lot of folks.
My contribution, aside from any money, would be as the 'dummy' asking stupid questions...
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If this ever gets off the ground, add my name to those volunteering to proof read. FWIW, I am a language professional (translator).
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Moé la, ché acune problème pantout de donne un coup de main a faire une version en joual icitte, spas difficelle eh, car if fait frette ben trop lhiver et y a rien daut a faire mesque y a 6 pieds de neige et la pitoune est frezee jusqa le printemps...
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Dang! J.C. speaks every UK and Canadian dialect, and now frog!
Must be interesting to have all of those words swimming around in your head...
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I love to see the reaction if you called my wife or kids frogs. I got WAY thicker skin than the bunch of them. In case you want to say it to her mother, use grenouille.\\
Anyway, Canada, being isolated from France very early, still speak the way Rablais wrote. Took me about 2 years to change from book french to backwoods Québecoise.
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General Montcalm camped on what is now my property in Lake George, NY. If he had been just a bit more successful, we would be speaking French in this country now.
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I still think the frog remark should be retracted. Perhaps I speak the Queen's English, and several French dialects, but the whole forum would erupt if you used derogatory adjectives or nouns against Italians, African Americans, etc. I have no objection to Canuck, but I view frog as the equivalent of the N word no one utters anymore. French Canada is a rich and diverse society, different in so many aspects that I do not suggest you will understand it. I at least have a multi layered ethnographic view of French Canada, from Ontario to most areas of Quebec. In the spirit of Monday, Louis Riel day in Manitoba, I suggest that the person calling people frogs, should rethink the personal attack and return to some sort of civil behaviour.
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John,
Pardon my ignorance, but is "Canuck" a derogotory term? (NOI - I just don't know)
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I think of it as a contraction...and you can call me that. But my wife, who is French Canadian, would just about claw out yer eyes if you called her a frog. And my daughter would treat you worse than that.. she is so proud of her heritage you would not want to cross her....
A lot of misinformation about French people is propogated. Check sometime how many French people were killed in wars. Popular culture suggests they ran away and were cowards. Just count the casualties. French people in Canada are so unlike English people that it is impossible for many to understand.
At the end of the day, do not call my wife, and my kids, and my in-laws, frogs. That is wrong.
Oh, and in someplaces we still call yanks, longknives. That is from the swords the officers wore which astounded the amerindians.
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Hmmmm...just wondering how many times I've been called a "gringo" here in Texas, and a "Yank" by folks in the UK...both of those terms are used pretty frequently, but I have learned to take them in stride. Note also that I didn't call anyone a "Frog" just the language. I speak Tex-Mex and Texican myself sometimes, as I live here and try to communicate.
Nevertheless, since it was my intention to be humorous rather than insulting, I regret any perceived insult, as that was never my intention.
I hope this rather thin-skinned approach to stuff on this forum is not a trend...in any event, I'll just restrain myself in the future in order not to offend anyone.
If that's not sufficient, a warrant can be obtained and served by the PC Police I suppose...
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Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
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