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OK, I'm iPad ignorant at this time, but I see that the iPad Air looks like a decent deal. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1011234-REG/apple_md788ll_a_16gb_ipad_air_wi_fi.htmlI read the memory is not expandable so I need to know how much I'll need before I buy. I plan to do music apps and read a magazine or two on it. If I can get the music off when I'm done I won't need to store it there. So how much memory do I need? Is the 16G model enough or should I spend $126 more for 64G? I know it's better to have than need, but will I need that much storage? Is there any way to transfer files to and from a Windows computer, say if I get a lightning to USB cable? I like cable transfers better than wireless as my old wireless router is difficult to use (I don't have the manual anymore either). If I can't get music and other files back and forth from the iPad to a Windows computer, it's a deal breaker for me. I've never had an iOS product so this will be new for me. Any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I'm thinking an iPad instead of a Droid tablet, because the way I understand it is that there are many more music apps for iPad than for Droids. I let the software choose my computer platform. Thanks, Notes
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Bob, I have both an old iPad 2 and an iPhone 6, with quite a few indispensable music apps, and no Mac. I have had phones with 16 GB that worked fine as far as storage, though my current one is 64. The real problem with any iOS product is the internal memory limit of 1 GB when using more than one app at a time, not the app storage that you can buy as either 16 or 64 GB. If you don't multitask, 16 would probably be adequate. Correct, you cannot expand after purchase. I use an app, System Status, to clear RAM.
Yes, using iTunes and a Lightning to USB cable, you can transfer files from the device to the PC, as well as backup your whole device.
My favorite app is V-Control Pro, which I use to remote control my DAW (SONAR).
Somewhere on this forum is a post from about two years ago with a pretty good list of my music apps, and those used by others.
[EDIT] Wow, it's older than I thought. I went back four years. If you decide to get an iPad, maybe you could start a new thread asking about apps. I'll chip in what I think are good ones.
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i vote for the 64GB the OS is getting bigger and the apps and data they create you may find this link useful ipad iOS music\multimedia links you will need the camera connection kit if you plan on connecting anything to the ipad and possibly a powered usb hub depending on the power requirements of what you connec if you get an apple tv device you screencast what's on your ipad
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I've been doing pretty well with 64GB on my iPad and I keep quite a bit of stuff on mine. Since the memory is not expandable, I've always purchased the max that was available at the time I was buying. I've got about 4 GB of free memory right now but I keep thousands of songs and a couple of hundred ebooks on the device that could just as easily be kept in the cloud.
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Thanks all.
But I'm still confused about one thing.
Matt says I can transfer files to and from my PC with the lightning to USB cable (which I see is supplied) and Mike says I need a camera connection kit.
I guess I could always use drop box but my internet connection is slow.
I might want to multitask with music apps (I really don't know at this time) so perhaps 64GB is worth the extra >$100
I'm getting it predominantly to read a couple of magazines that went digital only, and since I've also read that the majority of music apps are on the iPad rather than 'droid, I figure I may as well get the iPad. I have no idea what is out there, but I'll have fun finding new toys to play with.
Thanks again,
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I'll clarify.
I use Dropbox when I can because it's faster and saves steps. I use iTunes to transfer pictures and songs, things that iTunes handles.
For apps that generate data, each one that I can think of has a way to share the data. That may be Dropbox, or email. This is one characteristic of apps that I consider before purchase.
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i was thinking of a usb device, camera, midi controller, audio interface etc
ituens as matt said is your friend for files that it handles dropbox or something like it, of course apple wants you to pay for icloud storage after you exhaust the 5gb they provide, for most everything else
i happen to prefer the ipad mini for reading a it fits my hands better
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I love what the mini looks and feels like, but I tested a PDF of a lead sheet on one in a store. I didn't think I would be able to use that in place of sheet music, whereas I can and do with a regular-size iPad.
One accessory that works really well for this purpose is the Bluetooth foot pedal for turning pages. I use the Airturn BT-105 Digit.
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Thanks again. Looks like Dropbox will be my friend.
I have an iPod with almost 10,000 tunes on it, but I don't use iTunes, I use CopyTrans manager. It keeps me out of the Apple store, and is much easier for me to use.
Most of my songs have been ripped from my own extensive LP and CD collection and the few that I bought, I got through Amazon as mp3 files.
The only time I use the iPod is when I'm in the car, so mp3 is fine.
Back to the iPad
It looks like 64G Ram and the Air
Thanks again for all your help. It's greatly appreciated.
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There are more music apps for IOS because it has low latency core audio and core midi built in. Camera connection kit needed for using USB audio/midi interfaces, if you don't have a purpose built device that the iPad plugs into. Garageband is an excellent app on IOS. The drawbar organ and electric pianos are worth the 5$ price alone.
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Bob check out the Ipad air 2. It has 2 gigs of ram memory and the latest (faster) cpu. Also go over to the http://forum.audiob.us/ forum site. There's a lot of good info on apps and ipad hardware comments. I'd go to the ipad air 2 and as much memory as you want to afford because you're going to live with this for awhile. Hope this helps Wyndham
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Now 2 gigs RAM? Thanks, I didn't know that. It will make a difference when multitasking.
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Well the iPad arrived. I'm working through the basics, it's not much different from my cell phone, it just takes slightly different actions to do the same things. The build seems good and the picture clear, of course, I expect this from Apple. I wasn't wild about the Safari browser, was surprised to find Firefox wants me to pay for it (it's free on my PCs) and since I like Dolphin on my 'driod phone I decided to try it on the iPad. As soon as I get the basics down, I'll start playing with the music apps. A lightning to USB cable came with it, but I haven't tried to hook it up to the computer yet. I hope it will work without opening the iTunes store. If not I'll register drop box. Heavy weekend of gigging will slow the progress, next month's very busy too, so I'll take it step at a time. Any music app suggestions are welcome. This looks interesting http://www.shiverware.com/musixpro/index.html - anybody try it? Thanks, Bob
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I have Musix Pro and quite like it. There are several options available for custom usage. I don't play the internal sounds very often instead opting for the MIDI out to other synth apps. While Musix Pro is a nifty controller app, I much prefer Geo Synthesizer: http://www.wizdommusic.com/products/geo_synthesizer.htmlwhich is a controller that allows for more playing variation and has internal sounds that I find more appealing than Musix Pro. Good luck and enjoy when you get the time.
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I prefer the Chrome browser on my iPad and iPhone, and it's free.
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Keebo, Thanks. What do you need to get MIDI out of the iPad for Musix Pro and/or the Geo. I have nice MIDI modules with tons of voices. Is there any way to change the volume of the notes? I guess I could hook up a MIDI footswitch controller. I find different controller configurations get me of my old fingering habits so I can discover new things. Matt, I like Chrome OK but Google is the advertising giant of the Internet, so I suspect they sell every little site I visit  - seriously, I didn't like Chrome on the PC because I could accidentally close a half dozen open tabs with a mouse click. Firefox gives me a warning when I try to close multiple tabs. Thanks to you both. Bob
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Notes, to get midi in/out there are a couple of options: 1. You could go with an entire interface designed for the iPad - that has both audio and midi I/O. Here's one from Alesis that doesn't care if it's 30 pin old-school or lightning connection: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/iODockII2. There's the smaller sized option of something like the Griffin stuff: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/StudioConLtAnd then there are options that are a bit more tricky to get full functionality involving camera connection kits and whatnot. The first music app I bought for my iPhone was Garageband. It's 5$. The drawbar organ and electric piano sounds are simply phenomenal - very very good and very likely better than any external sound modules you might have; particularly the drawbar organ. Now, when I was doing this I also bought an app which allowed MIDI control into Garageband so that I could use an Akai Synthstation 25 controller control the soft-synths inside. That app is called MIDI Bridge. I don't believe it's the case with the IO Dock. The guitar amp simulation in Garageband for iOS is also remarkably good. If you want something other than that, you can use the freebie Amplitube stuff - there's a free Fender version - which if I remember correctly, there's black-face model in the free version; my favorite Fender Amp. I can't demonstrate any of this any longer because I no longer have my iPhone 4s. iOS8 has a cool feature called Inter-App audio which acts like an internal digital patch bay, so you can use stuff like Amplitube simultaneously with Garageband and other audio apps. But before you buy ANYTHING - if you have an Apple store nearby, take your favorite headphones over and fire up Garageband and pull up any of the keyboards (not the smart keyboards) and have a play. You'll be buying Garageband for 5$ after that, or just go ahead and buy it now, it's a fairly fun tool as a scratchpad DAW as well.
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