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I've just tried working to some info I was given a couple of months ago to us the higher bank patches on my Roland XV3080 synth and I just can't get the thing to work. I'm putting the patches in using the classic tracks view and definitely have the right numbers but I'm just getting the either a piano or what sounds like the GM patch of the PC no. I want to play 87 64 1 whihc is a 128 voice piano and 87 68 73 Lush strings and the latter one I'm getting a flute. any ideas what I'm doing wrong this time. I've turned off the DXi and am using port 1 through a Yamaha USB to the Roland. the Rolands working OK. I can hook a keyboard up to the Roland and prgramme in the 87 64 1 programme change and it works a charm.
This is so frustrating
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Maybe you have entered them in the wrong order? Patch 1 is usually reserved for Acoustic Piano. Enter as Patch 1 in Prg No Column, guessing, 64 in the Bank Column and 87 in the LSB Column. Ensure that the Roland Driver is at the top of the Midi Drivers List to correspond with Port 1. I hope this helps.
Lyn
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Thanks Lyn. I'll give that a try. I had the 87 in the MSB column and the 64 in the LSB column so I'll swap them around and see what happens. The Roland patch list does say that the 64 is the Bank LSB. proof of the pudding is in the eating. Notsure whether the dirver is at the top of the list either but it is sending the information. Its works just not properly.
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Glenn
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Well I have another go and it appeared that things were working OK. I stopped, went for dinner and came back and now it plays piano on every track. I've restarted the computer, restarted the Roland but no change just the bloddy piano - and its GM 001 as well. I've had enough of this now. I'm off to bed!
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Could it be a port thing? should I be using a different port for each track? Also I'm pretty certain that the Bank is 87 and LSB is 64 and PC is 1 for the 128 voice piano. I presume that the "bank" equates to MSB? I have a patch file for the XV 3080 but haven't bothered to load it as my understanding was that as long as I had the appropriate MSB, LSB, PC numbers loaded for each track that PT would send the correct midi information to the synth. I can't get hold of the local Roland agent at the moment to see whether its a setting on the Roland Itself that is screwing everything up. I have a Roland PCRM50 controller hooked up to PT and running "through" to the Roland XV 3080. This was working fine and if I set a track to an instrument it was playing it - but again I'm only getting GM001 piano now.
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Check Options > Preferences > Midi Tab > Midi Devices. The Driver for your Roland needs to be at the top of the Output list as you are using port 1 and ports are numbered in order from the top of the midi Driver List. Also the Input Roland Driver will need to be checked. Make sure to UNCHECK the box "Re-Route Midi Output to the Default VSTi/DXi Synth". It is a long time since I used any external keyboard and I cannot now remember what the settings in the Midi Thru panel should be.
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Life will be a lot easier if you install the patchmap properly, too.
"Bank" is neither MSB or LSB.
If you have only LSB data number given, then leave MSB at zero or vice verse.
Some synths use one or the other, some may use both MSB and LSB, yours looks like it uses only onem the LSB. Again, leave the MSB set to zero then.
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Hi Mac and Lyn,
I have done everything that Lyn suggests in her latest email. The patch list I have from Roland has an MSB No LSB No and a PC No Having said that what they state as the MSB No is always 87 and the LSB No changes. The 87 selects the Roland preset lists which are different to the GM and GM2 sounds. I'll try loading the ini file and see whether that makes a difference. When I set the memory on the controller I use with the synth I put in all three numbers and it works fine.
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Glenn
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Is the Yamaha USB using Yamaha patch numbers? Try using 0 or 2 instead of 1 for the piano.. Yamaha uses 0-127 while Roland uses 1-128. (?) Just a wild guess, because it sounds like you are doing it right.
Otherwise the MSB should be the bank number, The LSB is the second (select) number and the actual patch number is used as the program change number...
At least that's how it works here..
You could try using the event list and send these as control changes to see if that works.
I think the controller numbers are 0 and 32 for MSB and LSB. Most Rolands will recognize that method also.
Insert a control change 0 and the bank number as the value.
A control change 32 with the Select number as a value, and then a program change number with the patch number as the value.. in that order
Also, if the synth is in performance mode, it may be ignoring these messages even though they are indeed getting there. Some Roland synths have a separate switch for allowing bank changes via midi when in performance mode.
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Hi Rharv
I think your comment on the whether the synth is in performance mode may be the key. It has three different modes - GM, Patch and Performance. At this stage I'm steering clear of Performance. Synth works fine in GM and I'm wondering whether I have to physically select something on the synth itself to get it to play the Roland patches. I'm hoping the local agent will shed some light on it when I can get hold of him. I've now read the Roland manual front to back, have a basic understand of the midi syntax, but man that manual is written in a language that assumes you are a midi guru. Last night I spent another couple of hours trying to get things moving along and found that the synth would change patches when I changed them on PT. Also I think its ignoring the MSB and LSB messages and just using the PC number - so its just playing in GM mode. I looked to load the XV 3080 ini file but ca't see the point at this stage. I'm pretty sure, now, that I'm doing everything right from a PT perspective so that leaves the synth itself. The XV 3080 is loaded with realistically wonderful B3, strings, guitar and synth sounds that I think will transform some of the midi files I have so I'll persist until I get the thing sorted. I'll let you know what the agent recommends when I track him down.
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The point of installing the .ini file is that you should be able to access the upper banks and view them by name.
It is much easier than dealing with the numbers, man. Patch Map makes the puter do that work for you.
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Thanks Mac. I understand that and I'll probably load the .ini file once I have the two things communicating. I know I'll almost be bound to run into a problem loading the .ini file and I don't want to get that confused with the communication issue. I'm just trying about three tracks on one midi file at the moment so it's no big deal to type in the numbers in the Classic screen.
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The solution was reached last night! Apparently you can't run more than one patch at a time on the XV 3080. BUT you can run a "Performance". ( XV has 3 modes - GM, Patch and Performance) The latter is a combination of patches - 16 channels worth - that you set up and save. PT will download the requisite banks and PC numbers for this and run perfectly. Performances can have multi effects applied to them. I am extremely pleased with the end result. Soaring strings, amazing brass - completely transforms the sound.
Thanks for your assistance.
While I'm here. If I am using the Roland DXi in PT do I have to use the Roland VSC to input the higher bank sounds that it has available or can you still use the patch map. The latter doesn't have a list for DXi but it does have a list for Roland GS. is it one and the same?
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The VSC DXi can run in GM, GS or GM2 mode.
Settings for which are in its Control Panel.
The Patch Map that corresponds to the chosen mode should be used at the time. The upper banks are not very likely to match those of any other synth.
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