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At times BiaB wants to connect to the internet. ZoneAlarm creates every once in a while this message:  Does anybody have a clue why such messages may pop up?
Martin
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That's a first for me. Never had any such messages. That's odd!
Cheers, Mike My Music * Asus ROG Strix G15CF 32 GB DDR4 4TB HDD + 1 TB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Win 11 AKAI EIE PRO Sound Interface. BIAB/RB 2024 UltraPak Build - Latest
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As an after thought: I never have my AV program running when I do anything musically ... BIAB, Sonar, or anything else.
Cheers, Mike My Music * Asus ROG Strix G15CF 32 GB DDR4 4TB HDD + 1 TB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Win 11 AKAI EIE PRO Sound Interface. BIAB/RB 2024 UltraPak Build - Latest
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ZoneAlarm is more of a firewall rather than some AV program. Sure enough, for studio purposes a dedicated DAW may better be free of any AV, internet connection or other background processes. Yet, 'ya know, for everyday purposes, it is quite ok to have BiaB running on the run-of-the-mill home puter.
Which leaves the odd question open -> Why does ZoneAlarm create such messages?
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I use ZoneAlarm, and have never seen that message. When does it happen? BB doesn't try to connect to the Internet. The closest thing would be when you click on a a button to visit a web page (like www.pgmusic.com). In that case, BB asks Explorer to open up www.pgmusic.com, which it will do using your default browser (IE, FireFox etc.). That isn't BB communicating with the Internet though. When does it happen... on bootup of BB?
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Because it's trying to connect to the internet. The problem is that BIAB never does that. Possibly your BIAB .exe has been altered by the ? virus ( I'll try and find the name for you). This was an extremely bad one. Even if you formatted the drive when you went to reinstall programs they (the program .exe) were still infected. Here it is: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=42709.0
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Peter, I see no clear pattern when ZoneAlarm creates this message with BiaB. It usually occurs out of the blue, not on bootup of BB, and without me making anything specific with BB, at least that I can currently think of. Odd enough, when I click on a button like 'PG Music Website' of the 'About Band-in-a-Box' info box, the Internet Explorer pops up and connects to the PG Music website without having Zonealarm create any warning.
Which makes this occurrence even stranger. A virus might be a viable explanation. I have Avast running here and checking on the system yields no warnings - which, of course, does not guarantee that no malware might be at work.
A binary file compare of the BBW.exe on my system with some pristine BBW.exe could provide further hints, whether BBW.exe on my system was tinkered with by some malware. Such a pristine BBW.exe might be downloadable from the PG Music web site, with a link potentially communicated via PM?
Hopefully there may be a different explanation.
John, thanks for the link - I am currently perusing its content.
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Some of these kind of malwares only appear to be a legit program .exe when they try to connect.
The real source could be in the Registry or in a legit .dll file that Windows uses, where all it needs is a pointer or two to wreak its havoc.
Therefore, binary compare would not work, as both files would be identical.
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Does this mean, some malware program tries to connect to the internet and mimics some otherwise legitimate program name, such as bbw.exe, just to seduce the user into allowing some connection? Thus the original bbw.exe is potentially not the origin of this message? Getting interesting ... In the meantime I sent my resident BBW.exe file to -> http://www.virustotal.comHere is the online scan result of this service Antivirus Result a-squared - AhnLab-V3 - AntiVir - Antiy-AVL - Authentium - Avast - AVG - BitDefender - CAT-QuickHeal - ClamAV - Comodo - DrWeb - eSafe - eTrust-Vet - F-Prot - Fortinet - GData - Ikarus - Jiangmin - K7AntiVirus - Kaspersky - McAfee - McAfee+Artemis - McAfee-GW-Edition - Microsoft - NOD32 - Norman - nProtect - Panda - PCTools - Prevx - Rising - Sophos - Sunbelt - Symantec - TheHacker - TrendMicro - VBA32 - ViRobot - VirusBuster - Thus no clue yet ... PS: Formatting is not exactly a strong feature of this forum -> those little dashes above should line up underneath the heading 'Result', indicating 'no infection'. Albeit it's still no guarantee, bbw.exe seems to be free from infections. Do I have some virus lurking exploiting programs such as bbw.exe on 'conncet time', or are there other options?
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This is were it's trying to go so I think it's a fluke: 08/09/09 16:08:23 IP block 224.0.0.22 Trying 224.0.0.22 at ARIN Trying 224.0.0 at ARIN OrgName: Internet Assigned Numbers Authority OrgID: IANA Address: 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 City: Marina del Rey StateProv: CA PostalCode: 90292-6695 Country: US NetRange: 224.0.0.0 - 239.255.255.255 CIDR: 224.0.0.0/4 NetName: MCAST-NET NetHandle: NET-224-0-0-0-1 Parent: NetType: IANA Special Use NameServer: FLAG.EP.NET NameServer: STRUL.STUPI.SE NameServer: NS.ISI.EDU NameServer: NIC.NEAR.NET Comment: This block is reserved for special purposes. Comment: Please see RFC 3171 for additional information. Comment: RegDate: 1991-05-22 Updated: 2002-09-16 OrgAbuseHandle: IANA-IP-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Number OrgAbusePhone: +1-310-301-5820 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@iana.orgOrgTechHandle: IANA-IP-ARIN OrgTechName: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Number OrgTechPhone: +1-310-301-5820 OrgTechEmail: abuse@iana.org# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2009-08-08 20:00 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
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224.0.0.22
Look in the logs for Zone Alarm and tell me if that's the senders IP if not give it to me and I'll do a trace for you.
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The logs for ZoneAlarm indeed state 224.0.0.22 as the target-IP. Just keep wondering why BB should want to contact this IP. Is it a virus or is it a Vista issue, that Microsoft makes some random programs contact some fancy 224.0.0.22? Is it some mimicry just to get allowance to the internet, and when that's given, some infected program connects to the real evil?
For experimental purposes, I did allow bbw.exe access to the internet, yet CurrPorts did not register any traffic - which is odd all by itself.
ZoneAlarm Version:7.1.254.000 here - is it a bug with ZoneAlarm?
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I did not like Zone Alarm. Go to PCtools.com and get there free Firewall Plus.
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Looks like a viable alternative, John. To date I was extremely satisfied with a very user friendly ZoneAlarm - yet this behavior sure is puzzling. Don't want to get nagged by a bunch of false alarms. And then ... what if they aren't?
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G'day Martin, consensus here in my office is: a) Zone Alarm "weirdness" - ZA can be very invasive and this could simply be an error on it's part. b) Malware - possibly masquerading as a running process - in this case BBW, or being mixed up with a running process by ZA. Either way, a comprehensive malware scan is indicated. At the moment "Malwarebytes" ( http://www.malwarebytes.org ) is a reasonably good scanner that doesn't seem to miss much, if anything. Spybot Search and Destroy ( http://www.safer-networking.org/en/home/index.html ) is another goodie. I'd probably run both. The destination address in question is a "multicast" address - kind of like a broadcast but for the local network and with specific destinations defined by the last octet (byte) of the address - in this case .22 which is IGMP (Internet Group Management Protocol) Quote:
RFC 988, page 13: ( http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/rfc/rfc988.txt )
The Internet Group Management Protocol (IGMP) is used between IP hosts and their immediate neighbor multicast agents to support the creation of transient groups, the addition and deletion of members of a group, and the periodic confirmation of group membership. IGMP is an asymmetric protocol and is specified here from the point of view of a host, rather than a multicast agent.
See :
http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/ip/multicast.htm
http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/igmp.htm
for a little additional info.
It is unlikely in the extreme that BBW.EXE is actually the culprit here. Without knowing more about your network it would be hard to identify what is going on other than your machine appears to be trying to query or join a "transient group" on the local network - I reckon this could be a network worm although there is legitimate traffic of this nature on most networks. The reason I think it's a worm is that it appears to be BBW and we know (thanks to Peter) that BBW definitely does not use IP communications directly.
--=-- My credo: If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing - just ask my missus, she'll tell ya  --=--You're only paranoid if you're wrong!
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Just entering "224.0.0.22" into Google you'll get swamped with listings from irritated users. This address appears to be within the range of local IP multicast addresses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address) designated for multicasting on the local LAN only.
Kind of difficult to plow a way through the jungle of google listings. Maybe some kind of worm is active trying to infect the local LAN, maybe some weird OS stuff is nagging users, yet otherwise harmless. The default answer in many Internet forums appears to be -> run a system scan for malware ... yet in those same threads usually *no* definitive clues come up of the type: 'yes, just detected worm xyz'. On the other hand, I haven't found any definitive clue yet, what this multicast stuff is all about and why it should be harmless or harmful. Lawrie, you provided a whole bunch of useful info, which sure takes some time to digest.
The connection message 224.0.0.22 appears to pop up with a variety of Firewalls. On the other hand, Peter uses ZoneAlarm and has never seen such a message. Maybe its a configuration issue between router, PC, and Firewall.
Lawrie, thanks for your info and links. Will run a scan, likely sometime overnight. No definitive clue yet.
Martin
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That *may* be the cause of one called, "Trojan.FakeAlert" which we have seen here recently on several machines but can't figure out exactly what it was intended to do.
It appears that it originally would fake a virus alert warning from your chosen scanning software but in reality would always take you to a certain website that was trying to sell some fake virus protection software that had "found" a virus that nothing else did. The website is terrible, not letting people close it unless they go ahead and pay $29.95 to purchase a software that does not exist. In the process, whoever put this scam together would not only receive online funds and presumably some account info, but the people don't get any software to download.
One of the clues as to whether you've got this one is that on a few XP machines we've seen, bootup time is increased by about a minute or two and there is a Blue Screen that appears for about a full minute between the XP starting "blue bar" screen and the desktop finally appearing. -- But not in every case and we haven't seen this action with infected Vista machines so far.
If it is that one, Malwarebytes, which you've already been pointed to, has been able to locate and quarantine the offending Registry Keys that cause it in every case we've seen so far.
G'Luck,
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Martin, perhaps you are using a VST/DxI or MIDI interface that is triggering that message.
The program (BBW) hosts the various plugins, so messages would appear to be coming from the program (BBW).
To test that, try using a simple MIDI driver like VSC DXi, and see if the message goes away.
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Thanks, Peter, I had Forte active in the VST/DirectX Instruments/Plugins selection dialog; which I now set to VSC DXi to see what happens (the checkmark 'Use VST/DXi Synth' in the MIDI/Audio Drivers Setup was not active, though, just selected 'Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth' ... yet who knows). I am gaining confidence that the communication to 224.0.0.22 seems to be thoroughly harmless. People give advice on how to -> deactivate IP multicasting. It doesn't appear that malicious communication is possible at all here - just telling the router 'hello, I am here', for whatever murky purpose. The puzzling issue remains, though, why should BiaB do that in the first place; and your hunch may shed some light onto this issue. BTW, in the meantime I ran a thorough www.malwarebytes.org scan over my system with zero result - which is promising for the time being, and sure keeps up the suspense.
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